Archetypal Images

BreakABone · 02-21-2002, 04:57 PM

I know half of you probabbly have no idea what the hell the subject is about, but the better to educate you I guess.

Anyhow I was discussing Hamlet with Kitana on AIM (It came up because she asked if I had hwork over my Mid-Winter recess), and I pointed out the smiliarities between the play Hamlet by William ShakeSpeare and the Disney movie The Lion King. Here are some of them:

-They both deal with Royal Families (The King of the Jungle and of Denmark)
-The story both has the former King being killed by some plot of his evil brother (In Hamlet we never see it but are told and in Lion King we are able to witness it)
-The Prince is in some way or another exiled (Hamlet is set to England and Simba chased into the wilderness)
-They both have love interest (Opehlia and nalie (Think dat was her name))
-They really only have few close friends (Horatio for Hamlet and Timon and Pumba for Simba)
-Their dead father appears to them in the form of a ghost/spirit
-Their evil uncles ascend to position of power as King
-They both avenge their fathers death

Ofcourse Lion King was a kid's movie so Simba didn't die nor did Scar end up sleeping with Simba's mother..

other than that they are very similar.. Anyone else know stories like that?

N8 · 02-21-2002, 05:00 PM

woah, thats freaky, wonder if that was planned or just a bizarre coincidence

Neo · 02-21-2002, 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by BreakABone
nor did Scar end up sleeping with Simba's mother..

I knew there was something missing from that movie.

Revival · 02-21-2002, 05:09 PM

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Originally posted by Neo
I knew there was something missing from that movie.

So true

The_Dunadan · 02-21-2002, 06:13 PM

neo got a new avatar!

anyway, i know a movie with similarities to a book i'm reading now. its homer's odyssee which the movie o brother where art thou(i just forgot how to spell it! i was going to put though!),which is an awesome movie, is loosely based. i like the book a lot. so far the similarities i've seen is the cyclopse in the book doesn't like odysseus, which by the way if translated a certain way is ulysseus or something which is the name of the character in the movie, and in the movie john goodman plays a one eyed man who doesn't like the 3 guys. um...odysseus is trapped on an island wanting to get back to his wife who is about to marry, but he doesn't know that, and in the movie the main character is in prison trying to get back to his wife who is about to marry. the sirens by the river are the mermaids that cause ship crews to crash on the rocks because they get distracted. i'm sure there are more but i'm only on chapter 6 out of 24.

GameMaster · 02-21-2002, 08:36 PM

Odyssey...ughhh...

Xantar · 02-21-2002, 09:14 PM

Sure, I know a story like that. Pyramus and Thisbe a.k.a. Romeo and Juliet a.k.a. West Side Story a.k.a. just about any story about forbidden love.

There are also about 170 versions of the Cinderalla story. I kid you not. A book was written about them.

BreakABone · 02-21-2002, 09:19 PM

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Originally posted by Xantar
Sure, I know a story like that. Pyramus and Thisbe a.k.a. Romeo and Juliet a.k.a. West Side Story a.k.a. just about any story about forbidden love.

There are also about 170 versions of the Cinderalla story. I kid you not. A book was written about them.

*Hides the book*

But I also have one of those college literature books that go into stuff like that. Like how Pretty Woman is a modern day retelling of Cinderalla. The Lion Kiong/Hamlet one I actually got from class as it was discussed when we begun to read the book.

fingersman · 02-21-2002, 10:05 PM

OMG...DISnay stole Shakesphere storyline.

Kill the bastards.

THere that will teach them not to do anything like that again.

GameMaster · 02-21-2002, 10:10 PM

Pikachu is a Disney Mouse! :eek:

Bube · 02-22-2002, 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by BreakABone
nor did Scar end up sleeping with Simba's mother..

How do you know that didn't happen? In Hamlet, we don't witness the evil brother killing the King, and in the Lion King, we don't witness them sleeping. Simple.

The_Dunadan · 02-22-2002, 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by Gamemaster2002
Odyssey...ughhh...

wtf!? have u ever read the odyssey!? its a great book which is probably why its been around so long(written around 500 bc i think).

BreakABone · 02-23-2002, 12:34 PM

hmm I did a good then I guess..

No one asked what does the subject have to do with my post yet...

GameMaster · 02-23-2002, 01:00 PM

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wtf!? have u ever read the odyssey!? its a great book which is probably why its been around so long(written around 500 bc i think).

It is a great book Dunadan. No doubt about that. But when books are introduced to one through school, they are ruined for the reader.

My English class just couldn't simply enjoy reading the book, no. We had to do study guides for each book, a project, and a d@mn essay which takes all the enjoyment out of reading it. No one person in my class had anything good to say about the book when we were finished which is really sad. All these classics being destroyed by schools with their crappy "add ons" in addition to reading. Why we couldn't simply read the book and talk about it in class, I don't know? I'm a good reader and have acute reading comprehension skills so all the extra crap was just busy work for me. I think after the first three books I just stopped doing the study guides

Anyway, I'm sorry if you misinterpreted my statement. I do like the Odyssey.

The_Dunadan · 02-23-2002, 01:05 PM

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Originally posted by Gamemaster2002

It is a great book Dunadan. No doubt about that. But when books are introduced to one through school, they are ruined for the reader.

My English class just couldn't simply enjoy reading the book, no. We had to do study guides for each book, a project, and a d@mn essay which takes all the enjoyment out of reading it. No one person in my class had anything good to say about the book when we were finished which is really sad. All these classics being destroyed by schools with their crappy "add ons" in addition to reading. Why we couldn't simply read the book and talk about it in class, I don't know? I'm a good reader and have acute reading comprehension skills so all the extra crap was just busy work for me. I think after the first three books I just stopped doing the study guides Anyway, I'm sorry if you misinterpreted my statement. I do like the Odyssey.

oh, now i completely understand and agree.