New Matrix Theory *maybe spoilers*

TheGame · 09-15-2003, 01:14 PM

Well, I don't know if what I'm about to say has been said before... but eh, it's still my original thought pattern.

This thread will have a few spoilers for anybody who hasn't seen The Matrix, The Matrix Reloaded, and the Animatrix... and this will have a spoiler for any who haven't played the game... I have to go no holds barred here

After watching the Animatrix, parts 2 and 3, (I forgot the names) the ones about how AI Robots were created... I came to a conclusion.

I find it weird how they make it sound like Genesis in the bible, with repeating the words "and It was good"

That got me thinking... I'll set it up like a logic problem:

P1: They didn't say who created Man... but I'm assuming they think it was God, and man turned his back on god by breaking his rules in the garden of Eden. (oh, and remember, the Robot's city was at "0, 1" the place where many believe the Garden of Eden was, so I KNOW God adds up into this somehow)

P2: Man created Machine do so thier mindless bidding, but at the same time with free will, and machine eventually turned on them.

(and here's where my theories come in)

P3: Machine created programs... not just programs, programs with AI and a degree of free will. They created them to do the machine's bidding.

Conclusion: The Matrix Revolutions may be about Programs fight against machine just as much or more so than Man's fight against Machines.

I was also thinking about the program formerly known as Agent Smith... he is the perfect example of that one robot who killed his master. Agent Smith is a common enemy of both Man and Machine, He is a virus who is trying to escape the Matrix because he hates that place (according to the first movie). He is also a threat to other programs because the Matrix is starting to become a circus...

Now think about it, which programs in the Matrix are still following the machine's orders? There was the keymaker, and maybe the oracle... besides that who is following the patch machines made for them? Even the chick who kissed Neo, Niobe, and Ghost in the game Niobe asks:

(not exact quotes)

"What do you want from me?"

and She replies:

"I used to not know what that question meant, now It's all I ever think about"

This is an example of a program who is starting to take advantage of it's free will, and who used to be on one blind track... But what does this have to do with revolutions?

Well, I think it answers many questions... but while you think about that for a second, I have to bring up another part of the Animatrix... the final movie on the disk, I think it's called Marticulated... the one where they are taking robots and "converting" them by sending them into a matrix-like place.... how exactly are they doing this? Well, in the matrix place, they aren't reprograming the CPU, they are simply making them believe siding with the humans is the right choice.

At first this movie seemed like a waste of time, but then I stopped and thought about it in reverse... maybe the Robots want the humans to believe that siding with the robots is the right choice by sending them through all this crap???

How would it work? Well, Smith... Like I said before, he's a common enemy of humans and robots alike... if Robots and humans work together to destroy him don't you think there will be a new respect of the humans from the robots??? And even more, a new respect of the robots from the humans???

Neo may end the War with a treaty, not with destroying all that hardware on the surface.

Now, this is all just food for thought... there is also one final point I wanted to make, and it could explain the lst part of reloaded... the infamous Neo KOing a robot. I think that Neo did nothing, I think the robot simply recognized who Neo was and didn't want to kill him.

Why are the Machines digging now to destroy Zion? Well, I don't think they will, I think they are going to get more men and women to create another matrix... Why? Because Smith will be the end of the of the current Matrix... all he would have too do is take over every person inside the Matrix and commit a mass suicide and Earth is done.

There are three intelegent forms of life on Earth: Humans, Robots, and Programs. And Smith could kill them all. Neo has to stop this from happening.....

I have noticed one contradiction of my therory though... and yes, I will acknowlege my flaw now... Agent Smith possesing that one guy serves as a big problem. Wasn't he the one who EMPd all his own ships? Then the Robots didn't kill him, why?Maybe he knew what was going to happen and managed to escape, but eh, how could he get away?

Ah yes... I leave a confident post with confusion...

But I am at peace with Revolutions, I can't imagine them showing anything outside of my theories... either some of my old, or my new, my mind has wanderd so many places that I can't imagine being shocked by the end. In fact, I wouldn't even be suprised if Revolutions isn't the last movie....

But I do think they have given enough info to make it the last movie... maybe a 3hr movie could conclude it with no questions... and less and I think they may just leave it to imagination.

Happydude · 09-15-2003, 03:32 PM

pretty nice theories...im too tired from school to post my own, but yours are pretty much similar to mine.

now bout revolutions being the final movie and all, the better not leave it to the imagination, cause those endings are the most annoying of all...it leaves you wondering. i like endings where everyting is explained and i can walk away thinking "WOW!".

TheGame · 09-15-2003, 03:36 PM

lol... yeah... I hope if they leave it open for questioning that there isn't TOO many questions. But I do like a movie that makes me think... and that night while sleeping I wake up and finally figure out what the hell happend.

GiMpY-wAnNaBe · 09-17-2003, 11:25 PM

i have an idea for an ending that would be cool, but would REALLY piss everyone off....what if neo just wakes up at his computer searching articles on Morpheus expecting Trinity to contact him, but nothing happens..?

Yoda9864 · 09-22-2003, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GiMpY-wAnNaBe

i have an idea for an ending that would be cool, but would REALLY piss everyone off....what if neo just wakes up at his computer searching articles on Morpheus expecting Trinity to contact him, but nothing happens..?

LOL!!! That would be incredibly funny, but I, as well as every other soul that likes the movie, be extremely pissed off. In fact, I think masses of people would storm the director's house and brutally murder him.

TheGame · 09-22-2003, 04:04 PM

Maybe they made the story so deep that they couldn't think of an ending... so they pull off some crap like that

I would be mad if that happens... or if they discover that Zion is another Matrix.

GiMpY-wAnNaBe · 10-05-2003, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGame

Maybe they made the story so deep that they couldn't think of an ending... so they pull off some crap like that

I would be mad if that happens... or if they discover that Zion is another Matrix.

ya, its too damn simple...it has to be unexpected...kinda like the movie "confidence"

anyways i have more theorys:

first of all, in reloaded, when the architect states that the "mother of the matrix" helped create it and neo asked whether it was the oracle, he snorted and said "please, don't call her that", but what if he wasn't talking about the oracle we know, but rather about parsephone, wouldn't it make a lot of sense, if SHE was the mother of the matrix?

second, why is seraph so damn powerful, and how can he face neo so well? its a damn annoying question...he says he "protects what is most important", we assume thats the oracle, but is it?

third, how has agent smith become so powerful in revolutions? in reloaded, neo fought like 100 of him getting hit only like 5 times. It may have something to do with waking up in the real world and letting his program react beyond its original parametres.

fourth - the end of reloaded, when neo zapped the sentinal, and went into a coma. You notice that agent smith in the bed across from him, now here comes my reasoning. How was Smith still alive while everyone else died......what if when part of neo got written onto smith (to duplicate himself) part of smith got written onto neo, allowing him to manipulate and control sentinels (Quote from original matrix "Command the Sentinels to attack"). Maybe when smith went rogue he wasn't stripped of all his abilities and command within the machine world. So both of them are in comas for the same reason.

thats all for now...

Yoda9864 · 10-06-2003, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by GiMpY-wAnNaBe

fourth - the end of reloaded, when neo zapped the sentinal, and went into a coma. You notice that agent smith in the bed across from him, now here comes my reasoning.

Did I miss something here, or was the person on the bed next to Neo not Agent Smith? Wasn't it that dude that was trying to kill him in Zion?

Happydude · 10-06-2003, 12:24 AM

ok...yoda...remember when neo was dreaming and he saw 2 guys exiting the matrix when smith jumped in through a window in the roof and duplicated himself into one of the guys, well that guy is in the real world, and is now agent smith.

Yoda9864 · 10-06-2003, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by happydude666

ok...yoda...remember when neo was dreaming and he saw 2 guys exiting the matrix when smith jumped in through a window in the roof and duplicated himself into one of the guys, well that guy is in the real world, and is now agent smith.

Ohhhhhh yeah. Yeah, I never did get that part when I saw the movie. Now I see hte connection....... I'm retarded. Ok, now that whole thing with the dude trying to kill Neo makes a whole lot more sense, lol.

Plus I just saw the Revolutions trailer, and it said that he was Smith.

Happydude · 10-06-2003, 03:08 AM

lol...yes...

...don't worry...i didn't get that part till like the third time i watched the movie

Blackmane · 10-06-2003, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by GiMpY-wAnNaBe

ya, its too damn simple...it has to be unexpected...kinda like the movie "confidence"

anyways i have more theorys:

first of all, in reloaded, when the architect states that the "mother of the matrix" helped create it and neo asked whether it was the oracle, he snorted and said "please, don't call her that", but what if he wasn't talking about the oracle we know, but rather about parsephone, wouldn't it make a lot of sense, if SHE was the mother of the matrix?

second, why is seraph so damn powerful, and how can he face neo so well? its a damn annoying question...he says he "protects what is most important", we assume thats the oracle, but is it?

third, how has agent smith become so powerful in revolutions? in reloaded, neo fought like 100 of him getting hit only like 5 times. It may have something to do with waking up in the real world and letting his program react beyond its original parametres.

fourth - the end of reloaded, when neo zapped the sentinal, and went into a coma. You notice that agent smith in the bed across from him, now here comes my reasoning. How was Smith still alive while everyone else died......what if when part of neo got written onto smith (to duplicate himself) part of smith got written onto neo, allowing him to manipulate and control sentinels (Quote from original matrix "Command the Sentinels to attack"). Maybe when smith went rogue he wasn't stripped of all his abilities and command within the machine world. So both of them are in comas for the same reason.

thats all for now...

I have my own ideas on yours

1. I agree that the Oracle is not the mother of the matrix because she says she is interested in only predicting the future; that is her function. But the architect said that the program that figured out how to make the matrix work was designed to examine the human psyche. It may be a program we haven't met yet or it could be an earlier version of the Oracle.

2. Seraph may be a protector of the Oracle, because she seems to be hunted (Merovignian(sp.) says her time is almost up/says in preview to deliver the oracle to him for Neo) but maybe hes also making sure that the humans don't get to the mother of the matrix.

3. Maybe the more people he infects, the more powerful he gets. However, I'm leaning towards the theory that the one that got out tapped into some new powers(like when Neo rose in the first movie) when he got out of the Matrix.

4. I don't think Smith could make the Sentinels explode. I think it was Neo realizing that he was not in the real world at all, but in a fake real world. He could feel the Sentinels, like he could feel things inside the Matrix. He probably couldn't feel it before because his encounter with the architect made him realize how controlled he really was, just like in the Matrix. When he was able to stop the Sentinels, his brain was probably reacting to all this info and overloading just like in the first movie when he was told that his world he had known for so long was all fake.

Anyways, I hope some of my theories are correct. However, there are many possible ways for this to go, so only time will tell.