Nintendo--VS--Microsoft

THRILLHO · 07-12-2003, 09:32 PM

Does Nintendo have the power, money and games to Defeat microsoft like they did to Sega (with a bit of help from playstation) or will Nintendo themselves end up losing the Console Wars? I say Yes Microsoft will end up being the next Sega. But it is hard to tell because they are so new in the race and have money bags the size of Rosie O'Donnald.

NINTENDO IS FOREVER

GameKinG · 07-12-2003, 09:37 PM

Well Sega was mostly defeated by money problems, which MS certainly has none. Now Nintendo held off sega for a long time there, but I assure you, PS2 was the nail in the coffin. So, ummm, I think the ones that would take MS out of the market would be MS. That is, if their next console doesnt produce the results they want, they may consider an action like that. It wont make a difference to them anyway.

On a related note, Nintendo likely wont be squeezed out by them, and if a day in the [very] distant future comes, they would likely by Nintendo, and Nintendo would go on.

Bond · 07-12-2003, 09:40 PM

I agree with GameKinG. Sony and Nintendo do not have the money and power to take Microsoft out of the console market. Microsoft will take themselves out if they wish to.

Rndm_Perfection · 07-12-2003, 11:03 PM

Sega was superior to Nintendo.

Systems I have "used":
- Genesis
- Sega Saturn
- Dreamcast

- NES
- N64
- Gameboy Color

I've owned 3 of each, and overall I purchased more games for the Sega systems because I found them to be much more enjoyable. The Genesis was my rent machine, by far... with N64 behind it. Everything else aside from NES was just bought at the wrong time for rentals. (Where the hell can anyone rent GB games?).

Anywho, Sega was great until they were screwed with money problems. If I remember right, Dreamcast started at $300... too high for the time and competition. N64 was the "better buy". Doesn't mean N64 was the "Better system". Playstation on the other hand....

The XBox has good games and masses of people are buying them. What makes you think (other than a peculiar wave of fanboy impulses) that Microsoft will fall? Even if the games turn crap, they've still got to come out... even if by laxative!

Yoda9864 · 07-13-2003, 12:51 AM

The only company IMO that could drop out in the next few generations is Nintendo. Sony and Microsoft are too big of companies to get beaten out of the game.

Of course, stranger things have happened...

Oh, and IMO, Ninento was superior to Sega, but not by much. Just because you used Sega platforms more Sega Rndm_Perfection, doesn't neccesarily mean Sega was better.

Rndm_Perfection · 07-13-2003, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Yoda9864

Oh, and IMO, Ninento was superior to Sega, but not by much. Just because you used Sega platforms more Sega Rndm_Perfection, doesn't neccesarily mean Sega was better.

Not as a fact, but rather as an opinion. Just as your opinion is that Nintendo was superior. It's the same old situation.

TheGame · 07-13-2003, 04:40 AM

I think Sega Genesis was superior to SNES in every way I could think of...

SNES was ok, but I loved my Sonic way too much.

As for Xbox vs GCN... Well, lets just say Xbox has my #1 and #2 most anticipated games of this generation. (Halo 2 and Perfect Dark 0)

GCN if anything was a step down from N64 and a huge dissapointment in my eyes. Xbox isn't all that great either, but it did FAR better than my expectations while Nintendo did FAR worse than my expectations.

So, I gotta give that battle to Xbox. In raw quality, I say they are equal, but it's like a senior in HS (Nintendo) being equal to a freshman (Microsoft)... who's the better player?

-EDIT-

Oh, and as for the topic on where I think MS will end up... um, I think in the end they will be on top of Nintendo. Why? Because they are taking extra steps to make all Xbox owners happy. The only problems with Xbox are thing MS really have no control over (like Square developing for them)... Nintendo, on the other end, is more worried about making money, and games is where most of thier money lies.

If PSP takes out GBA (even though it's doubtful) Nintendo is doomed unless somthing changes. Thier popularity with there big franchises has only been going down. Also, imo, and in all of my friends, and in all of the people I know offline who loved N64's opinion, the game quality has gone down.

Changing franchises isn't the smartest move imo, there are no more fun WWE games, no more Goldeneye/Perfect Dark, no more moody Zelda, Mario has a squirt gun and a camera that got worse than the first 3d game like that on the market... That smahes most of thier top selling 1st/3rd party games. But we all got our Mario Kart and Smash Brothers so it's all good right

I think Nintendo could make a comeback, but them failing yet again with the Gamecube may be the thing that spirals them to thier death.

Perfect Stu · 07-13-2003, 11:03 AM

If any company were to pull out of the videogame market in the next 5-7 years, I'd say it would be Microsoft. I know they're an enormous company, but they're the only company of the 3 thats losing money (and a lot of it) from their videogame division. Now, they do have a lot to spare, and they seem very dedicated...so I don't see them leaving anytime soon...but big company or not, investors get pissed off when the company is taking huge financial hits. I don't think the XBox will ever become profitable...but I do think that Microsoft has to make sure that their next system will be.

For Nintendo...it's hard to tell. They have a system going that seems to keep raking in moderate amounts of profit consistently, but I don't know how long that can go on. Over the past 7 years they've lost a lot of market share, and the GBA seems to be their foundation. If Sony's PSP can seriously compete with that, we have a whole other story.

Sony is the market leader, and they've recently invested a TON of money into future technology. They have a long term plan in place, so I don't see them stepping out of the videogame market in a LOOONG time.

gekko · 07-13-2003, 11:55 AM

Stu got it. Who's beating who in the industry means nothing, it's about who's making money. Nintendo and Sony are both bringing in profits, Xbox is not. They are already taking steps to try to reduce losses on Xbox, but it won't end them. With Xbox 2, Microsoft needs to make a machine that's profitable. If not, it would be a tough sell to corporate execs to let them go on.

There's no garauntees what will happen next generation, history will prove that. Sony has made large amounts of money, and has room to take some initial losses on PS3. They also have enough money to go on if PS3 flops.

Nintendo has been bringing in profits all through N64 and Gamecube's day. You can say they failed, but in all reality, they're not. N64 brought in profits, Gamecube is bringing in profits. Nintendo's far from being in a bad situation financially, because they aren't losing a dime. You don't drop support of something that's bringing in money. Market share means nothing, this is a business, and it's making money. That's all that matters.

Dyne · 07-13-2003, 12:49 PM

I agree. There's a word I'm looking for Microsoft's plan that fits them perfectly. Ah yes, I'm thinking of... demented. In a good unoffensive way, really. How do they keep going? I wonder if there's going to be a miracle or something and one game sells unexpectedly well. They've already sold North America and Europe.. if they can sell in Japan I'd say they could stay in no problem... but right now? They want to stay in so they can make.. great games, and have other people to enjoy them? Maybe they're like a big charity, or something. I've never seen Microsoft so "generous", but more like "demented".

PuPPeT · 07-13-2003, 02:03 PM

Ok first Microsoft has said quite clearly that Xbox is just the start. Also some people inside Microsoft have also said they do not expect and never have expected to make any money on the Xbox. For an company which is thinking of paying its share holders over 10 billion just to lower it's holdings, money really is no problem at all.

No Nintendo will be the next to full out of the market! The signs are already there they have started to lose this generation already where the two cash rich company’s run off with it. Noting Nintendo does seems to help them any more if RE, Mario, Zelda and MP can’t push world wide sales past Microsoft then what the hell will. The fact is Nintendo is out of touch of it’s markets (only a small core of gamers want to play there console any more).

Welcome to the new world of POPULAR gaming
Gone are the days where being a good game was enough to sale it.

viruscool · 07-13-2003, 03:42 PM

I dont think you have read the last few posts "PuPPeT". Just because nintendo isnt at the top of the console charts doesnt mean they're not making money. Nintendo are one of the more profitable companies in the gaming industry. So I agree they wont go out anytime soon, i think xbox will be next.

Seth · 07-13-2003, 05:07 PM

Microsoft isn't going to pull out of the console market.

How many billions are in the gaming industry each year? Microsoft is here to stay.

As much as I'd like to see Nintendo opperate on their own, it's going to be impossible after another 5 years of Sony and Micro breathing down Nintendo's neck. Sony and Microsoft have unlimited funding. They can afford to make mistakes. Nintendo's been a gaming only company for ever so they don't have the financial security of the other two contenders.

Eventually there's going to be a merger or a bankruptsy.

TheGame · 07-13-2003, 05:26 PM

First of all Gekko/Stu... It's not even Mirosoft's intention to make a profit with Xbox. They put it out quite cleary that Xbox is just a tool to put thier foot in the door of the gaming market.... and they are willing t spend whaver it takes to get in.

If they are not even trying to make a profit, how could you count them out?

Imagine if tey weren't about games and were more about Money... I don't thik they woud have purchased Rare or Bungie, Xbox would sill cost $300, and they wouldn't have paid thid parties to make games for them... Xbox would have sucked, and it would have flopped, that should tell you how hard it is to jump in and become a major player in ths industry off of the bat (which MS is doing).

I think thier plan is smart personally... If they would have even thought about making a profit this gen, they would have failed

Do they have the best chance of dropping out? No... why? Because they have proven that they can lose milions and millions and still be satisfied with the results. Nintendo on the other end, is my personal pick for the next thing to drop out.

Why? There popularity is falling, and even with a profit in Nintendo's pocket, a lower userbase hurts third party support, and lower third party support hurts the sales, and low sales hurts the third party support, and s on and so on. They are caught in this spiral, just like Sega.

But can they bounce back? HELL yeah! All they have to do is become a gambler like Microsoft, take some risks, grab on to the next big thing before MS or Sony gets to it... but Nintendo's "Stay a generation behind" attitude will be the death of them if it continues.

Null · 07-13-2003, 05:27 PM

you'd be surprised how fast the money goes in business. no one has unlimited. And no one needs to run out of money to see whats happening and decide its best to pull out. could be sony, microsoft or nintendo.

i kinda see nintendo to stop making consoles for a bit. just to try and get the image off thier shoulders eventually. then start up again sometime when theres an opertunity to jump in.