Pretty Bold Statement

BreakABone · 05-24-2003, 09:45 PM

this little snippet is taken from the latest Cubism over at IGN, I believe it was 34 if anyone is interested. It basically takes a postive look at Nintendo's e3 showing. One statement in particular was rather.. well read

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Which brings me back to Miyamoto and the idea that the great man might be losing steam. I can't blame anyone who watched the Pac-Man demo on video or only read a description of Tetra's Trackers for thinking that. I too thought the whole connectivity thing was a scam.

But then I actually played Pac-Man and was left thinking: I went to the E3 this year where Miyamoto re-invented multi-player gaming. Where did everyone else go?

So what do you thik of the above statement?

Stonecutter · 05-24-2003, 10:15 PM

Multiplayer was reinvented with xbox live. Call me a fanboy, but it has nothing to do with the the fact that it's an xbox product, it's a revolutionary system. It takes something that few could have on a computer (super fast, all the time, voice chat, gaming) and gives it to everyone for 50$ and an xbox.

I love nintendo. But they're losing it.

Null · 05-24-2003, 10:23 PM

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Originally posted by Stonecutter
Multiplayer was reinvented with xbox live. Call me a fanboy, but it has nothing to do with the the fact that it's an xbox product, it's a revolutionary system. It takes something that few could have on a computer (super fast, all the time, voice chat, gaming) and gives it to everyone for 50$ and an xbox.

I love nintendo. But they're losing it.

sorry, but xbox reinvented nothing with that... they give you crappy service that you have to pay for ontop of what your already paying for broadband.

no. online gameing for PC is miles ahead of any console. its going to be next gen at the earliest. prolly the gen after that for console gameing to catch p to that

Jonbo298 · 05-24-2003, 10:45 PM

Miyamoto sort of is, but not wholly. He's just taking an idea, making it play differently, and play better. With the whole GBA/GCN connectivity, the definition of multi-play has changed for Nintendo. For everyone else, its just online, online, online.

One Winged Angel · 05-24-2003, 11:01 PM

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Originally posted by Stonecutter
it's a revolutionary system.

Joeiss · 05-24-2003, 11:12 PM

I think that PS2 and Xbox have done a great job to the multiplayer experience. Having online communities are really fun, except for those damn glitches and cheaters! lol... Null is right, that PC online gaming is much more advanced... But oh well. For those who stick to consoles, XboxLive and PS2 Online are great.

And... I don't know... I think that Nintendo should step up and make a bunch of their first party games online... But I guess they "know" what they are doing. LOL.. Who knows if Miyamoto is losing it.. Who knows.

bobcat · 05-24-2003, 11:13 PM

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Originally posted by Stonecutter
Multiplayer was reinvented with xbox live. Call me a fanboy, but it has nothing to do with the the fact that it's an xbox product, it's a revolutionary system. It takes something that few could have on a computer (super fast, all the time, voice chat, gaming) and gives it to everyone for 50$ and an xbox.

I love nintendo. But they're losing it.

PC online = Great
Console Online =

Additional fees and more hardware.

I really think I am going to stick to my Pc for online because it's got the entire experience. Online games + internet/video/audio etc. and a keyboard+mouse.

I don't know about everyone else, but paying for broadband on Pc is costing me enough. I'm not really to keen on having to pay another bill to pay for my xbox/ps2 going online specifically for games.

As exciting as the idea sounds, I don't see it as being feasible for most casual gamers. But maybe that's how Sony/MS are marketing it

Joeiss · 05-24-2003, 11:16 PM

All I pay for PS2 online is the monthly broadband, and the one time payment for the Network Adapter. I am not too keen on online RPGs (which seem to be the only games that cost extra to play online), so it is pretty basic for me.

bobcat · 05-24-2003, 11:20 PM

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Originally posted by Joeiss
All I pay for PS2 online is the monthly broadband, and the one time payment for the Network Adapter. I am not too keen on online RPGs (which seem to be the only games that cost extra to play online), so it is pretty basic for me.

How much is it?

And did you have to buy a HDD? Or just the N/W card.

Dyne · 05-24-2003, 11:27 PM

I'm glad to see Miyamoto still HAD steam after all these projects he's been doing with outside sources. Sheesh, look at the gamecube's second party game list, and he's been on work with MP2, F-zero, Star Fox, tons. And still, he's even working on in-house games like WW2 and Mario 128. If this is the least he could do, I'd buy it for a dollar. It would probably be cheap anyways. Cheap thrills are always the best.

Null · 05-24-2003, 11:37 PM

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Originally posted by bobcat
PC online = Great
Console Online =

Additional fees and more hardware.

I really think I am going to stick to my Pc for online because it's got the entire experience. Online games + internet/video/audio etc. and a keyboard+mouse.

I don't know about everyone else, but paying for broadband on Pc is costing me enough. I'm not really to keen on having to pay another bill to pay for my xbox/ps2 going online specifically for games.

As exciting as the idea sounds, I don't see it as being feasible for most casual gamers. But maybe that's how Sony/MS are marketing it

Xbox Online = closed network. pay to get on.

im not really sure what Sonys is. i would assume its a more open network. which would be possible to connect to other platforms aka GC or PC (not xbox cuz of its closed network) if a developer wanted.

but PS2 is free online just like a PC is. as long as you provide the connect. so for PS2, buy a $30 broadband and just plug it into your home network and your good to go with online games. I will be playin SSX 3 and GT4 online for PS2, i will buy a broadband modem for it possble a HD when that time comes.

same with GameCube online which is ATM, pretty much nonexistant. but it COULD be that way if nintendo wasnt so closed minded.

which is why i say its going to take a little bit for consoles online to catch up they're getting there. just not there yet. and having to pay extra ontop of the online cost sucks which is why i dont like xbox online.

TheGame · 05-24-2003, 11:57 PM

Err... I think that playing PC games online is different from Consoles... it may be "more advanced" but it's not even close to main-stream.

You guys talk about monthly fees, but do you realize that a person who wants to play games online is liable to pay 10x as much $$$$ just to get STARTED on the PC. Is it 10x the quality? Maybe, but most aren't willing to pay that much, period.

To me, PC online gaming might as well never have existed, because the most I have ever done with it is play a game of pool or spades. PC online gaming may be great, and I may be missing out, but eh, I'm not about to risk $3000+ to find out

I say more power to MS and Sony (and Sega), for online gaming they revolutionized it for me... They recreated Multi-player games, period.

As for this topic, I feel that GCN-GBA Link up has yet to move past the level of "waste of technology" in my book. Nothing shown from what I have seen could make a GBA owner want a GCN, or a GCN owner want a GBA... the only people who will be using this crap are people who just happen to have both.

bobcat · 05-25-2003, 12:13 AM

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Originally posted by TheGame
To me, PC online gaming might as well never have existed, because the most I have ever done with it is play a game of pool or spades. PC online gaming may be great, and I may be missing out, but eh, I'm not about to risk $3000+ to find out

Dude you really need to go online gaming with ur Pc.

Warcraft III, Command And Conquer, Starcraft, Diablo, Ragnarok, Counter Strike, Q3, UT. I haven't even gone beyond these yet.

A new Pc that's capable of playing most of these games is about $1000 AUD (assuming you have software organised). Considering the Ps2/Xbox launched @ $750-$800, I think it's money well spent.

And going online with Pc makes a lot more sense than a console. There's ALOT more you can do. And it's a lot more practical.

I am interested in console gaming online though, but at the moment I am not willing to pay monthly fees for it because I know I am not disconnecting my Pc net connection coz it kix ass.

TheGame · 05-25-2003, 12:27 AM

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Originally posted by bobcat
A new Pc that's capable of playing most of these games is about $1000 AUD (assuming you have software organised). Considering the Ps2/Xbox launched @ $750-$800, I think it's money well spent.

That's not in the states....

I doubt you can find a CPU (with Monitor and sound) that can run the complete high end games of today in it's full glory for anything less than $1,500 US...

$1,500 is an Xbox, Xbox live, and 25 full priced games... see my point? If I'm going to spen the $$$ for a PC mainly for gaming, it's just blocking me from getting a MUCH wider list of games for other consoles. Is PC worth it? Like I said, I'm not risking the Money to find out.

GameKinG · 05-25-2003, 12:38 AM

1) Online play is an old addition to games. NES had it, SNES had it, Dreamcast had it. I think even Atari has had it. Maybe MS has evolved the service some, but the result is still the same. Just cause its good doesnt make it a re-invention (unless the term is used loosely). Even GBA-GCN connectivity is more new idea, and it sucks compared to XBL.