Mania... best one I've ever seen

TheGame · 03-31-2003, 01:41 PM

(even though I have seen very few

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The biggest shock of the night was HHH winning imo... I fell off of my couch when that happend. I know very few have kicked out of a Pedigree but damn, what happend? There was too much cheating in that match too.

HBK vs Jericho was my favorite match of the night... followed by Vince vs Hogan. Rock/Austin 3 was aight... the ending really had me sitting on the edge of my seat nice long finish to a good match.

I'm shocked Brock/Angle was the main event. For the first 10 minutes of the match I thought it was pretty boring. The ending was cool though.... I wonder if Brock is OK, he looked like he was seriously injured.

that's about all I gotta say... oh, I can't forget, RRP's belly was HUGE. He let himself go bad this time.

Professor S · 03-31-2003, 02:44 PM

The Hogan/Vince match was HORRIBLE except for the ending. Does Vince understanbd that when he, as a non-wrestler, dominates Hogan who is one of his top card guys, he only succeeds in making his entire roster look bad? The 10 minute test of strength was so ludicrous I actually left the room. Vince's ego is out of control. The Piper run in was cool, but man is he FAT now. I hope they go somewhere with the run in and not just let it go unexplained. Oh wait, this is the WWE, of course it will never make sense.

What should have happened was for Hogan to dominate and bloody Vince, then let Roddy do the run in and brain Hogan with the pipe. Then it would MAKE SENSE for Vince to dominate Hogan until the inevitable "Hulk Up" Then Piper could come on Smackdown and explain himself, saying how everyone was arguing over who created the WWE, Vince or Hogan, when it was Piper who was in the ring with Hogan for years making him look good. The more the fans hated him, the more they loved Hogan. This of course would come in Piper's own signature half insane style of promo. This would end up in a Backlash grudge match brawl, giving Piper some time to lose the gut, where Hogan would finally pin Piper (he never has pinned Piper in all those years).

Jericho/Michaels was awesome. Jericho is the man.

HHH/Booker T - Ugh. They spent months building up Booker T to have him get punked out by HHH long after the finisher was applied. Booker T is done. Another victim of the HHH factor. I don't even know why I bother watching his matches anymore. They are long, plodding and you know who's going to win in the end. Pathetic.

Brock/Angle - Good match, and man did Brock overextend himself with the shooting star. If it was a little closer he could have nailed it. There is a reason Billy Kidman pulls the guy 2 inches from the post when he does his.

The rest... bleh. Even the 3 team tag match was awkward.

Definitely not the best IMO... The best ever would have to be either 17 or 3, with 3 winning narrowly. You just can't beat Savage/Steamboat for the IC strap. Best North American match ever, IMO

Joeiss · 03-31-2003, 03:04 PM

Wow... Brock got messed up on that moonsault... wow...

I thought it was pretty good. Not as good as last year's wrestlemania, IMO, but it was still very good.

TheGame · 03-31-2003, 03:45 PM

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Originally posted by The Strangler
HHH/Booker T - Ugh. They spent months building up Booker T to have him get punked out by HHH long after the finisher was applied. Booker T is done. Another victim of the HHH factor. I don't even know why I bother watching his matches anymore. They are long, plodding and you know who's going to win in the end. Pathetic.

lol.. who's gonna win the Goldberg vs HHH match at the Raw PPV?

Both of these guys are the same in this light... building sombody up just to get beat. I guess all his wins will be put to use in that case. And correct me if I'm wrong, but, didn't most people predict that HHH would lose that match with Booker?

BreakABone · 03-31-2003, 03:51 PM

Well, I still think that Wrestlemania x-Seven is the best WrestleMania of all-time, but this one was pretty good. Best PPV since SummerSlam IMO.
I found almost all the matches enjoyable except for the fact that Rey/Hardy was kept too short.
The Taker match was enjoyable, I don't know why but I'm a huge mark for Taker, and well I guess I would allow someone to dominate a handicap match if it's against Show/Train.
The tag match was just there not as good as their previous work.
HBK/Jericho was the match of the night IMO, one of the better matches in Mania history. I wished Jericho would have won or something, but the finish atleast didn't make Michaels look better than Jericho. It also sets up a rematch down the line which I believe Jericho will win. I also loved Shawn's entrance.
The women's match was ok, I liked that Trish won, but eh.
I don't know about the Hogan/Vince match, I agree with Strangler on this issue when Vince is able to dominate wrestlers (Triple H, Rock, Hogan, Flair) it makes them look weak and only helps them. Also will the Shane thing go anywherE?
I liked the Rock/Austin match, I thought it was the weakest of their 3 Mania matches, but when you are talking about high quality matches like that, being the worse still makes you better than most. A part of me wanted to see Austin win, but I'm glad the Rock finally got his victory.
Booker T/Triple H was an interesting match IMO, but the ending was completely anticlimatic and useless. I mean Booker T couldn't kick out of the pedigree after 1 minute wait?
The Angle/Lesnar match started off extremely boring, but really picked up near the end. I liked the setup for the Shooting Star Press, but it would have looked better if it hit it.

Best news of all, WrestleMania XX will return to it's origin. So I"m pumped to go next year, can't wait.

nWoCHRISnWo · 03-31-2003, 05:52 PM

Game: You must have not seen Wrestlemania 17.

Joeiss: It was a shooting star press, not a moonsault, just for the record.

And my opinions, overall I think this was a great PPV, and one of the best Wrestlemania's I've seen. This is only after seeing it live though, the other great Wrestlemania's imo are still great to rewatch today (like WM 3, 8, 17). We'll have to see how this one holds up, but for the first viewing, I have to say I loved it.

Rey/Hardy- Was way to short. Awesome choice for an opener, they did a lot in the five minutes they were allowed, and this was on pace for a pretty sweet match. Cool ending, reminiscent (or whatever the **** that word is) of Owen pinning Bret at WM X.

Taker match- First, I love Rollin as his entrance, so that was cool. Anyway this could have been a train wreck with Nathan Jones in there. As is stands, it was an okay match, not too bad at all. But how long can they hide the fact that Nathan Jones is ****ing terrible?

Women's match- Great match, one of the best Women's matches in a long while. Crappy ending.

Triple H/Booker T- Not great, not horrible. But the ending and who went over (Triple H...) is retarded. Anyone who says Triple H doesn't hold people down was proved wrong again and this time it's official. He hits his finisher, then waits like a minute, puts one arm over Book, and pins him. Booker T can rest well knowing he'll end up with RVD, Kane, Steiner, (and Jericho, although he worked himself back up to a respectable mid carder after a year).

HBK/Y2J- Simply put, AWESOME match. Jericho was the MVP of Wrestlemania. The look on his face when HBK was coming down the aisle, then giving him the finger was hilarious. The sweetness of the match all came to an abrupt end when Shawn ****ing Michaels actually won. Way to ****ing go. What a waste, that almost ruined Wrestlemania for me. Instead of putting one of the hardest workers over (who actually wrestles on house shows, Raw's, and every PPV) they have HBK win. Useless. I don't give a **** if there is a rematch with Jericho winning, this was plain bull****. When HBK got the pin, I was ****ing speechless. I almost wanna stop watch wrestling because of **** like this.

Triple Threat Tag match- Good match, nothing special. Whenever Benoit and/or Eddie were in the ring, I loved it. Not given enough time.

Austin/Rock- Not as good as their other WM matches, still pretty awesome. Right guy wins. Austin lost cleanly, HBK and Triple H should be taking notes. Rock looked like he knew that was his last Wrestlemania though, eh? He thanks Austin and talks to him for like two minutes after the match, pats his chest, soaks up the atmosphere for a long while (especially before delivering the last rock bottom), hugs his family, and is tearing up at the end.

20 Years in the making- Piper... WTF? That was out of nowhere. He sure looks like an overweight grandpa now. Match was entertaining for what it was. The scene of McMahon's bloody face grinning with pipe in hand slowly rising from under the ring was creepy, he looked like the devil himself. Hogan wins like he should have, but Vince dominated. Vince, like HBK and Triple H can kiss my ass.

Brock/Angle- Well, how ironic that the match everyone thought Angle might come out with a broken neck has Brock coming out with an injured neck. The match was pretty great, I liked the beginning of the match unlike everyone else here, and you couldn't even tell Angle was injured. That SSP was SICKENING. Appears to only have a concussion and sore neck, but after the match, he had purple cheeks, his eyes were glazed over, he looked scared as ****, he couldn't stand up, he couldn't even reach for his belt. Angle and Brock hugging after= cool moment.

Joeiss · 03-31-2003, 07:10 PM

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Originally posted by nWoCHRISnWo
Joeiss: It was a shooting star press, not a moonsault, just for the record.

Oh, my mistake.

mickydaniels · 04-01-2003, 11:32 AM

But you have to agree, kurt Angle was too far for nothing to go wrong.

nWoCHRISnWo · 04-01-2003, 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by mickydaniels
But you have to agree, kurt Angle was too far for nothing to go wrong.

Well, I have seen Brock hit a SSP from that far away with my own eyes before, but that was with looser ropes. It was also reported that Brock was practising the move a lot a few days before 'Mania and could consistently hit it from at least that far away, so I think it's more of a combination of him being nervous (it was WRESTLEMANIA afterall), him being fatigued, possibly kinda slipping before jumping if you noticed, and perhaps it was a little too far.

fingersman · 04-02-2003, 11:20 PM

I think Chris should send in an application to be wrestler.

NYGiant · 04-03-2003, 10:28 AM

Every year somebody says the Wrestlemania is the greatest ever....WWE sucks ass anyways

Professor S · 04-03-2003, 10:31 AM

Thank you for your enlightening contribution to this thread. Now go do something useful and play in traffic.

mickydaniels · 04-03-2003, 10:59 AM

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Originally posted by NYGiant
Every year somebody says the Wrestlemania is the greatest ever....WWE sucks ass anyways

Regardless, that is atrue statement

BreakABone · 04-03-2003, 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by mickydaniels
Regardless, that is atrue statement

Well in some forms yes, hyping a show as the best ever isn't just a trademark of the WWE/F, all major wrestling federations have done it, how do you expect people to wtach it if the folks say it was crappy?
And IMO, this was one of the best WrestleManias ever, not the best, but one of the best.
And folks opinion on the current state of the WWE shouldn't really effect their judgement on a show for the most part, I know it's unavoidable, but even with all it's problems, the WWE did manage a fairly above average show.

NYGiant · 04-03-2003, 04:08 PM

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Originally posted by The Strangler
Thank you for your enlightening contribution to this thread. Now go do something useful and play in traffic.

Umm,yeah

The WWE sucks.They need to reunite the rosters.The split just seemed to make Wrestlemania worse.Also,with HHH winning that just shows how dumb they are and that Booker T's people just aren't good enough. It seems no matter what happens the WWE will still suck.