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Crash · 02-25-2003, 05:33 PM

nintendo going multiplatform:

http://www.cube-europe.com/news.php?nid=3746

DarkMaster · 02-25-2003, 06:03 PM

As well they should, come on Nintendo, unless you got some amazing plan up your sleeve, I think its time to throw in the towel and become third or second party developers. You make great games, why not focus 100% on it? Regardless, if Nintendo can pull up its socks, more power to them, I'd love to seem them succeed. But if their future plans rely mostly on 1st party developed games, then come on...

DeathsHand · 02-25-2003, 06:06 PM

I agree with Darkmaster... It seems like fans only buy their systems for THEIR games... So I don't see why Nintendo fans think the idea of them developing for other systems (or one other specific system) is stupid... I mean, you'd be getting the Nintendo games you like ALONG WITH the good games on the other system that the Nintendo system wouldn't necesarily get... For the price of one system... *shrugs*

Although they SHOULD keep making handheld systems...

Jonbo298 · 02-25-2003, 06:35 PM

This topic will get A LOT of replies. But here's mine

I doubt Nintendo will leave this soon. I just don't see it happening yet. If Nintendo can't get any more ground next generation, I see them possibly folding on CONSOLES. Handheld will stay alive. But I hope this doesn't happen since I dont see myself owning a Sony or M$ console only to own Nintendo games. Thats what I would basically only buy. And all other companies would re-think their ways of making games if they stand a slim chance against Nintendo's Quality. But I dont see it happening yet. Maybe about 5-10 years down the road, just maybe.

Joeiss · 02-25-2003, 07:50 PM

I think it is sad when people limit themselves to only one company's brand of games. These people are missing out on so much.

Crono · 02-25-2003, 09:15 PM

I also agree with DarkMaster. Nintendo has had their success, time to step down.

They know for a fact that it's the loyal fans that keeps the GCN going. The sales charts clearly show that GCN is falling behind, and the gap will only become wider. And as DarkMaster said, unless Nintendo has something huge (and it would have to be really HUGE) up their sleeve, then they are doomed to failure, nothing would be able to bring GCN back into the # 2 spot. Nintendo is supposed to be the innovator, I haven't seen any innovation. Exactly what Bond told me on AIM: MS has been the innovator this generation, and I agree totally. With a build in Hard Drive and an Ethernet port. Online games are something Nintend should have started already, yet, I see nothing, and I bet we won't see any good online titles. Games like F-Zero, Mario Kart, 1080 Avalance and SSBM would all be good online titles, yet Nintendo doesn't take advantage, because their stubborn, and that will be their downfall.

Crash · 02-25-2003, 09:20 PM

are you guys crazy??? pc's outsell macs by millions... has apple stepped down? no... why? cause they have a loyal following... they are also superior computers! nintendo is a superior console..

what do you think metroid would look like on ps2 hardware... you guys are crazy!

sure its fun to play the games, but the graphics would suck... has anyone played nfl2k3 on the cube? looks like crap... 2k1 looks great on the dreamcast... think about it guys!

Bond · 02-25-2003, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Crash
are you guys crazy??? pc's outsell macs by millions... has apple stepped down? no... why? cause they have a loyal following... they are also superior computers! nintendo is a superior console..

what do you think metroid would look like on ps2 hardware... you guys are crazy!

I believe the question is that, how would Metroid look on Xbox hardware?

Gamer · 02-25-2003, 09:36 PM

*Sheds a tear* i have mixed feelings about this...

Joeiss · 02-25-2003, 09:46 PM

I would love it if Nintendo went third party... I think it would be their best move. Why? Because they would like double their user base, and work on a more power machine, and a machine that almost every gamer has. This would make Nintendo sales off the hizzle my nizzle...

*shudders*

GameKinG · 02-25-2003, 10:08 PM

Well, ot would be profitble but would detract a lot of cube sales. Currently Nintendo makes more profit then sony in terms of their Game sectors.

Xantar · 02-25-2003, 10:15 PM

The PlanetGameCube editors pointed out that these analysts seem to have completely missed the point. And I agree with them.

It's about the bottom line, people. Profits. You make more profits, you win.

These analysts are saying that Nintendo could reach a wider audience if they went third party which is correct. But Nintendo would make vastly less money by doing so.

It's really not that hard to figure out. Nintendo gets to charge licensing fees for games developed on the GameCube. For every single GameCube game that's sold, Nintendo gets a small cut of the profit. On top of this, Nintendo gets to sell massive amounts of their own games and keep all the profits from those games. Sure, many games haven't sold as well as Nintendo might have hoped, but many have still sold a million worldwide.

What would happen if Nintendo went third party? Well, just for starters, they would have to pay licensing fees for their games instead of receiving licensing fees. It doesn't matter if their games sell more copies. Their profitability would be drastically reduced.

Analysts and people like IGN are always obsessing over units sold and having a wide audience, but they are missing the point. Nintendo is making money. Lots of it. In fact, this thread here reports that Nintendo is making more money in this business than anyone else. This is despite the fact that Sony has more than twice Nintendo's marketshare.

You can talk all you want about what you'd like Nintendo to do. But right now, they're not going anywhere. They may have lost marketshare, but they're perfectly willing to let Sony and Microsoft sell more consoles as long as they are laughing all the way to the bank.

Jason1 · 02-25-2003, 10:23 PM

EDIT: Xantar beat me to the cut, but I do go into a little more detail...

Planetgamecube has a little article on this...I like what Rick says

Rick says: No mention of the fact that Nintendo makes a great deal of money through the licensing fees to make games on it's console either, something it would lose out on by leaving that market.

Most importantly, this article focused solely on SALES, not profitablity, where Nintendo leads. It also ignored Nintendo's stranglehold on the handheld market.

There is a lesson to be learned here. If these analysts knew all the answers to these questions, why aren't they running multi-million dollar successful companies? Because those that can, DO. Those that can't, play armchair quarterback.

On a side note, it's also worth noting that this report came from Europe, where Nintendo is having a particularly hard time, so of course, the sentiment from that part of the world is going to be more "doom and gloom" than is accurate for the rest of the world.

also, you might want to check out this other article posted on PGC today. http://www.planetgamecube.com/news.c...n=item&id=3999

Once again, rick makes some good comments:

Rick says: So this all begs the question ... what's more important? Sure, Nintendo could ditch their "family values", and try to attract franchises that are more (or less, depending on your viewpoint) mature like GTA, DOA, etc., and become tops in the industry in terms of sales. Or they could keep focused on quality gameplay and thei strong bottom line, settle for being second place, and laugh all the way to the bank.
Console "fanboyism" is a funny thing. We all want to have the "number one" console. Why can't we just be happy with the games we have, and know that the company making them is healthy? Why is it important that all our friends have the same console? The answer is pretty simple: It's NOT important at all.

But if that's the kind of thing that keeps you up at night, just keep this in mind. Nintendo might be second in sales, but Sony has had to make DOUBLE the sales of Nintendo and still hasn't reached Nintendo's same level of profitability. That makes Nintendo #1 in my book.

BOTTOM LINE: The gamecube isnt losing money for Nintendo. They like to have their own consoles suited to their tastes, and as long as having their own console's is profitable, why bother going 3rd party? I will probably get bashed again for this, but I make valid points regardless.

GameKinG · 02-25-2003, 10:35 PM

Yeah, thats pretty much what it comes down to, and analyst look the other way for some reason. I agree that if they left their first party to their family fun stuff and let their second parties makes adult oriented stuff then they could really get big. Metroid and Eternal Darkness is a good start, as well as the RE deal. But they need something more GTA.

GameMaster · 02-25-2003, 11:49 PM

I would just like to see Nintendo's games and characters stick to their "native" console. It makes it more fun for me if their's a really good game on Nintendo and a friend of mine has a different system, and then I have something to brag about. It's no fun if I have Luigi's Mansion 2 and my friend also has it for X-Box.