PS3/Xbox 360: When Do You Want?

[BreakABone]

With the recent announcement of the successor to the Wii due out sometime next year, obviously the die has now been cast for Sony and Microsoft to make the next move.

Latest word out of Kotaku is that Sony/MS are eye-ing 2014 as the year to release their console, but is that too long? Has Kinect/Move really served to prolong the generation? When do you want to see these new consoles? Do you want to see them?

[gekko]

To be honest, I'm so content with Xbox 360 that I honestly don't mind waiting. I'd like a hardware boost, but I really hope the new consoles don't try to be "revolutionary" for the sake of change. There's a handful of things I'd like to see on a new Xbox, but they are nick-picky improvements to what I consider a near perfect console. I'd be happy with a faster CPU with more cache, a DX11 GPU, and some more RAM.

[Vampyr]

I'm fine with waiting that long - although I do think at this point the consoles, especially the 360, are holding back the potential of how games could be looking at this point.

And I'm with Gekko, I just want a hardware upgrade.

[Professor S]

I'm fine with the current generation. Art design has long outweighed realism in graphical quality, but IF MS and Sony were to move towards a next generation, I'd like them to concentrate on these items:

1) Interactivity: Push the Kinect harder and farther. The potential is amazing, and they should include a much improved (responsive) version in their next generation.

2) Speed: If a game slows down once.... FAIL.

3) HD Space: A hard drive allows many advantages, and few games use it for more than storage or download.

4) Back to "cartridges"! Get rid of the DVD/Blu Ray as a gaming platform and take advantage of solid state! Faster and more awesome. No load time!

[KillerGremlin]

Originally Posted by Professor S

4) Back to "cartridges"! Get rid of the DVD/Blu Ray as a gaming platform and take advantage of solid state! Faster and more awesome. No load time!

I'm with you on this one, but I don't think the tech industry is ready. There is already a successor to Blu-Ray out there, and with the current DRM war I am skeptical that the industry will go to solid state.

Not only is there a DRM war, but there is a broadband war too. Truthfully, I want to see ALL media done away with. No Blu-Ray and no cartridge. I want streaming media and games that can be downloaded directly to the console. You can knock out a 1gig torrent at 1.5 MB/s in just a few minutes (>5). And I've seen download speeds of 10 MB/s on my computer depending on the server I download from (not torrents). My point is, we have the capability to stream Blu-Ray and to distribute game files. Hard drive space is in abundance these days and is dirt cheap. So we just need the broadband companies to get their shit together (they won't).

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by KillerGremlin

Not only is there a DRM war, but there is a broadband war too. Truthfully, I want to see ALL media done away with. No Blu-Ray and no cartridge. I want streaming media and games that can be downloaded directly to the console. You can knock out a 1gig torrent at 1.5 MB/s in just a few minutes (>5). And I've seen download speeds of 10 MB/s on my computer depending on the server I download from (not torrents). My point is, we have the capability to stream Blu-Ray and to distribute game files. Hard drive space is in abundance these days and is dirt cheap. So we just need the broadband companies to get their shit together (they won't).

That would kill the resale market. I'm pretty sure Gamestop would commit utter and complete war on the industry before they would let that happen.

[BreakABone]

Originally Posted by KillerGremlin

I'm with you on this one, but I don't think the tech industry is ready. There is already a successor to Blu-Ray out there, and with the current DRM war I am skeptical that the industry will go to solid state.

Not only is there a DRM war, but there is a broadband war too. Truthfully, I want to see ALL media done away with. No Blu-Ray and no cartridge. I want streaming media and games that can be downloaded directly to the console. You can knock out a 1gig torrent at 1.5 MB/s in just a few minutes (>5). And I've seen download speeds of 10 MB/s on my computer depending on the server I download from (not torrents). My point is, we have the capability to stream Blu-Ray and to distribute game files. Hard drive space is in abundance these days and is dirt cheap. So we just need the broadband companies to get their shit together (they won't).

The problem with this is broadband still isn't standard in most countries. Hell, its not even standard in the States.

Then you have places like Canada that put bandwidth caps on users, and you begin to see why digital downloads won't take off next generation.

And if you need a more recent example.... find the funeral home of the PSP Go.

And I've got to say, some of you are so boring. Just more power? Really? And then gamers complain when they get the same things over and over again. Alas

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by BreakABone

And I've got to say, some of you are so boring. Just more power? Really? And then gamers complain when they get the same things over and over again. Alas

Honest question: Do you think my comments are my comments reflective of "more power"? I think the "more power" argument is dead if it doesn't address more than graphical quality. Increase the speed of the hardware, and the responsiveness and accuracy of connect, and then imagine what you could accomplish. I can see the news article now:

"Man dies of heart failure while casting Magic Missile."

[BreakABone]

Originally Posted by Professor S

Honest question: Do you think my comments are my comments reflective of "more power"? I think the "more power" argument is dead if it doesn't address more than graphical quality. Increase the speed of the hardware, and the responsiveness and accuracy of connect, and then imagine what you could accomplish. I can see the news article now:

"Man dies of heart failure while casting Magic Missile."

Oh I wasn't referring to you... more Gekko and Vamp really.

I actually agree with you for the most part sans cartidges. They were abandoned because they were too expensive... not that 60 dollar game help the matter.

But really, I think the next PS3/360 will have some form of camera interface standard, even if for video chat during games.

[Vampyr]

I like my games how I like my games. I like to play with a controller in my hands, and that's it. And having superior hardware doesn't mean we'll continue to get the same games over and over, there are plenty of ways to innovate within the current hardware media.

Consider literature - the media of paper was the same for hundreds of years, and we continued to get new and original stories. With the recent development of ebooks, we got new hardware, but that doesn't affect the originality of stories. I'm OK with the concept of other hardware like the kinect or the move to accompany the hardware, but I don't want it to be the fulcrux of the system like motion controls are with the Wii. There's a place and time for things like that, just like there are a few movies I really want to watch in 3D - but most I don't.

I too support a fully digital age, where no content is physical, and I do think we'll get there eventually, but it won't be any time soon. Not enough people have broadband, and there's even a large population of those who do who want to "own" the disc. Not to mention Prof S' point about Gamestop...

But over time these feelings will change and enough people will have broadband and be willing to use it that the industry can essentially tell Gamestop "sorry." It would be in Gamestop's best interest to find a way to capitalize on the growing digital market early. There are already some sites out there that let you buy AND trade digital copies of PC games, and yeah, it's legal.

If Gamestop fails I think it will be because of a failure to innovate, not because the industry sold them out.

[KillerGremlin]

I think Sony could work on the integrity of their PSN network. Specifically, they could tell users to cancel their credit cards on day 1 instead of a week later.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2...een-stolen.ars

[BreakABone]

Originally Posted by KillerGremlin

I think Sony could work on the integrity of their PSN network. Specifically, they could tell users to cancel their credit cards on day 1 instead of a week later.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2...een-stolen.ars

I posted a thread on this!

And damnit, wanted that picture for the website.

[Blix]

Originally Posted by Professor S

I'm fine with the current generation. Art design has long outweighed realism in graphical quality, but IF MS and Sony were to move towards a next generation, I'd like them to concentrate on these items:

1) Interactivity: Push the Kinect harder and farther. The potential is amazing, and they should include a much improved (responsive) version in their next generation.

2) Speed: If a game slows down once.... FAIL.

3) HD Space: A hard drive allows many advantages, and few games use it for more than storage or download.

4) Back to "cartridges"! Get rid of the DVD/Blu Ray as a gaming platform and take advantage of solid state! Faster and more awesome. No load time!

How many native 1080 games did we get this generation? Just wondering.

OOOOOH! You know what would be awesome for the next generation!!!! TRUE 1080!!!!!! My computer can do it and so should the next generation of consoles. And I'm no technophile but MS and Sony (Specially Sony) were talking so much crap about how the HD era started with them. I was reading something about how some games were not even running in full 720.

But that aside... I want lots of ram on the next generation consoles. I really like large open worlds. But I'm nitpicking here. I'm quite happy with the graphics capabilities nowadays I'm in no hurry for newer consoles.