Violence

[Typhoid]

Many things are thrown around in the face of violence and teens. Mainly video games. But why?

I think its because the parents just plain dont like games, so they do whatever they can to blame stuff against it.

I mean, why not blame violent movies? Or the WWE? They both have real people instead of CGI people. So why? Why not the neglect of the parents, or the violence at home? Why not the violence at school, on the news, on TV shows. Bullying things like that.

What are your thoughts and opinions?

[KillerGremlin]

The answer is simple. It's much easier to blame a material object rather then the actual problem. Movies and music get by because everyone knows it's bull**** to accuse a movie of making a kid go nuts. Lots of kids play videogames, so it's easy to associate them with violence. The real issue is the parents. Go look at any study, and you will find that the way the parents treated the kid when he was little had more to do with the kids behavior then GTA3.

[Professor S]

It's all about perception. Video games are a target because it is perceived, and correctly perceived IMO, that the industry does not do enough to regulate itself. There is a ratings sytem, but it is not well known nor does anyone really care.

Meanwhile the WWE, while it has had its own battles in its heyday with the PTC as well as other groups, is perceived by the public to do a better job as its more explicit programs are on after 9 PM or available only through PPV.

Movies are also much more tightly regulated by their own industry, and it also doesn't hurt when your industry is considered an artform and not just simply a kids game.

The big problem here is popularity. No one would care if games weren't so popular.

[Vampyr]

I concur.

It's the parents fault, but it's easier to put the blame on anything other than yourself, especially when the "thing" cant really argue back.

[Crono]

Why blame anything? If your kid commits any kind of serious violence for no good reason then he/she is messed. Either due to the fact that the kid is just retarded, or it's the parent's fault.

You see, parents these days are really lazy. They aren't as strict as they were back in day, and look at what it's doing to this generation of kids.

I really hate when people, or even the media for that matter, can get away with blaming violence on other things/people. Need an example? The media tried blaming Columbine on Marilyn Manson. WTF is that ****? The kids were ****ed, that's it. Bunch of neo nazi punks who eventually turned the gun on themselves because they realized how stupid they've become. What's even worse is that the people of the modern world have become mindless zombies that will believe anything the media tells them. So if the media says video games creates violence amongst kids, then you can bet most people will take it seriously.

[Jonbo298]

The way I hear Rappers nowadays, its no wonder I hear so many 11-14 year olds talking like them and it annoys the living hell out of me. Same thing online when I'm playing City of Heroes. When they are saying things like "wut up my homeyz", I want to strangle them. And then I hear some kids singing about killing wifey, etc..etc...and I never understand how music artists get away with it but I guess they do.

Kids absorb the violence then think its ok to do it themselves because they heard/saw X celebrity do it in a movie or through music. Games can be at fault also because you can play out that violence rather then speaking about it. Kind of a big looparound circle.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Jonbo298

The way I hear Rappers nowadays, its no wonder I hear so many 11-14 year olds talking like them and it annoys the living hell out of me. Same thing online when I'm playing City of Heroes. When they are saying things like "wut up my homeyz", I want to strangle them. And then I hear some kids singing about killing wifey, etc..etc...and I never understand how music artists get away with it but I guess they do.

Kids absorb the violence then think its ok to do it themselves because they heard/saw X celebrity do it in a movie or through music. Games can be at fault also because you can play out that violence rather then speaking about it. Kind of a big looparound circle.

You're absolutely right Jonbo. And it's becoming a bigger problem. All that rap **** makes kids think being a thug is cool. We even have white kids trying to act black nowadays.

It makes me mad (and sad) even thinking about what the media and this "American" pop culture has done to not only kids in North America but also worldwide.

Notice I put quotes around American, because even though it seems this way now, I really hate to think that America's reputation was been deteriorated into a country that represents violence, sex, drugs, gangsters, etc. And I know I'm not American, but it is still sad to see. I feel sorry for you real Americans. You know, the ones who have not succumed to this Rap and Pop bull****.

I'm sorry, but I had to say that. Because I really take this stuff personally, especially in the past couple of months.

If I was leader of America, every Rap star would be thrown into jail, and their **** albums taken off of the market. That's what they get for ****ing up this world.

[GameMaster]

I think violent behavior is created when young children are raised in a negative environment. Because human minds kind of form and develop the most when they're in the baby-toddler age. So if they're is violence and stuff during that time and they're exposed to it a lot, the behavior will be hard-wired into their brains.

[KillerGremlin]

I don't know what your linking rules are, but a topic like this surfaced on AGB......

http://advanceforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3474

That's the link, because I don't feel like going over ground that has already been covered. But feel free to delete it if it is against your rules to link to another forum.

Edit: And pardon all my swearing in the second post on that page. I was kind of angry, because this topic gets me motivated. It's like racism, it's just totally outrageous.

[Typhoid]

The incredibly violent Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, made by Take-Two Interactive of New York City, has caused multiple copycat killings across the country. A recent Gallup Poll found that any American teen who has played this one game is twice as likely to be engaged in an act of violence than those who have not played this one game. In this game you have sex with a prostitute and then kill her grotesquely to get your money back and win the game faster. Police officers are set on fire, shotgunned in the face, and innocent pedestrians are run over with cars.

Pardon my language, but this just pisses me off.

First off, you dont HAVE TO have sex with a hooker.
Second, you DONT have to kill her.
Third, Kiling Hookers isnt how you win the game.

You could draw the same conclusion from the old Mario games.

In Mario you run around jumping on turtles and riding dinosaurs.

Now i've never seen any study that says there was a raised attack on turtles, or any study that says anyone whos played this game is twice as likely to ride a dinosaur.

Pong doesnt make me want to play tennis. And it doesnt make me want to hit little white balls.

What about games like BF 1942? That is pretty much a sim to kill people. Actually, its the objective of the game. So why does it get off easily?

In 1992, the American Civil Liberties Union named Jack Thompson one of its ten "Censors of the Year" for daring to suggest that Time Warner rapper Ice-T's "Cop Killer" should be pulled from store shelves worldwide. That award is a badge of honor Thompson wears proudly, not only because Time Warner did what he requested but because Thompson was ten years ahead of the national curve in predicting the entertainment-inspired copycat violence we are seeing from a generation raised on violence that Hollywood says is "cool."

As much as i hate rap, A song is still art. You cant ban art. Why not put pants on Michealangilo's David for indecent exposure then? That sculpture might make kids want to run around naked.

Jack Thompson has appeared recently on a number of national television program with victims of two teenage Tennessee snipers whom police concluded trained obsessively on Grand Theft Auto to prepare for their sniping spree. Numerous others have been murdered by teens trained on this one game.

Then obviously they are f***** in teh head, because i snipe peopels heads off all the time, i dont gfo doing it in real life.


Maybe the problem isnt violence in games so much as violence and neglect in the home.

Maybe less violence would happen if kids wernt so easily accessable towards guns.


Just my thoughts, i dont expect anyone to read it word for word, but if you do, Thumbs up. ( Yes i realise i butchered the name of the sculptor, so i wont even attempt to spell it again)

[Acebot44]

Originally Posted by Jonbo298

The way I hear Rappers nowadays, its no wonder I hear so many 11-14 year olds talking like them and it annoys the living hell out of me. Same thing online when I'm playing City of Heroes. When they are saying things like "wut up my homeyz", I want to strangle them. And then I hear some kids singing about killing wifey, etc..etc...and I never understand how music artists get away with it but I guess they do.

I see your point and agree with you for the most part, but don't just bundle all rappers into the violent and stupid ass group. Germy knows what I'm talking bout cus he's heard Blackalicious/Gift Of Gab and probably other positive minded rappers.

The majority of mainstream rappers SUCK(their lyrics are seriously weak compared to underground cats) and use the whole bling, violence, and ho's shtick over and over and over on each song. But still, I can listen along and enjoy their songs because of the beats.

The main reason why rap music like that is successfull is because 1. Rappers look tough and successfull so kids admire them for having two of lifes goals; power and money and 2. You can actually dance to rap music unlike heavy metal or fast paced rock songs.

I've got to admit, my favorite rapper, Immortal Technique, is incredibly violent in most of his songs but he is never disrespectfull to women and is actually quite smart and political. I love when he rhymes about defeating his enemies just because the words he uses paint an awesome picture in my head and usually surprise me. Listen to "The 4th Branch", "The Cause of Death" and "Homeland and Hip Hop" to check out what he thinks about government and other political and religious issues. Most of his lyrics have stuff you've seen in F9/11 but this was released at least a year before the film.

Originally Posted by Crono

We even have white kids trying to act black nowadays.

What do you mean "act black"?

Originally Posted by GameMaster

I think violent behavior is created when young children are raised in a negative environment. Because human minds kind of form and develop the most when they're in the baby-toddler age. So if they're is violence and stuff during that time and they're exposed to it a lot, the behavior will be hard-wired into their brains.

I was watching something on CourtTV about serial murderers, and a bunch of psychologists were talking about how even kids who grew up in perfect families with no abuse AT ALL and having gone through no traumatic events suddenly kill. I think it's something deeper in cases like that but usually from the way they were raised as well.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Acebot44

What do you mean "act black"?

I think he means being "hardcore" and talkin like a gangsta yo, where my bitches at homes, i wanna pop a cap in yo ass

*cough* sorry, i dont know what was wrong with me there..

*Puts on skull cap*

*cocks his hat slightly to the side*

*walks away like a penguin*

[Crono]

What do you think I mean when I say "act black"? One word: Wiggers. White kids who try to be the stereotypical black thug you see all over TV (and you know what I mean when I say stereotypical black, I am not saying that black people in general follow the stereotype because it obviously isn't true in most cases). It's sick, though.

EDIT: I just have to say this, but the music world has an obsession with making black rappers the cool guys. You know what I mean. That's why we have "black rapper imitators". So these wiggers try to be something they're not. Can't ****ing deal with the fact that you're white? Too bad, either be proud or just shut up. Trying to be something you're not is asking for a serious ass kicking.

[KillerGremlin]

I'm white and I still jam to my late 80's and 90's heehaw.

*Goes and listens to House Of Pain

[Crono]

Originally Posted by KillerGremlin

I'm white and I still jam to my late 80's and 90's heehaw.

*Goes and listens to House Of Pain

Yeah, but do you pretend to be a black gangster thug type guy?

If you do I will have lost all respect for you.