Zelda

Jin · 02-25-2002, 09:41 PM

What are the chances that Nintendo was kidding about Zelda being cell-shaded, or that they decided to go back to the original format because of all the complaints? I have so many friends that got a PS2 instead just because of this decision. I also was thinking about not getting a GC altogether. What does Nintendo think it's proving by drastically changing Zelda? Why didn't they just make another franchise to use cell shading and be innovative that way? Zelda is already a popular franchise and they are jeopardizing it by making it something that it isn't. Zelda was known for being one of the only Nintendo mature games, and now that isn't the case anymore.

I've been a Nintendo fan ever since the NES, but they dissapoint so much by making dumb decisions, such as using carts on the N64, making the GC purple, and now changing Zelda. They said they would become more mature, they said things would change, but they just seem to be repeating history. When will they change their ways?

Sorry, I just had to get that out of my system.

DeathsHand · 02-25-2002, 09:45 PM

Well, Miyamoto said something about changing it so he can get the feel or atmosphere or something of the game he's making right...

So I dunno, why don't you just wait and see?

The way I see it... Cel Shading looks similar to older 2D games... only it's 3D... Older games like LttP...

Soooooo

Style of LttP in 3D with OoT-ish gameplay = Great potential...

Whereas most people see it like this...

"GRAARRR TEH GRAPUIX IS KIDDEY AND THEY ARE SUCK!!"

.... *cough*.....

GameMaster · 02-25-2002, 09:51 PM

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Originally posted by Jin
Zelda is already a popular franchise and they are jeopardizing it by making it something that it isn't.

Who are you to say that? Did you create Zelda, how about no. It's small minded gamers like you that say things like this. But since Jin created Zelda and the games, let's hear him tell us what Zelda is since it isn't cell shaded. How do you know Miyamoto's primary intentions for Zelda in beginning weren't to be cell shaded? Shame on you Jin, I expect more from a cool guy like you.

Jin · 02-25-2002, 09:59 PM

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Originally posted by Gamemaster2002

Who are you to say that? Did you create Zelda, how about no. It's small minded gamers like you that say things like this. But since Jin created Zelda and the games, let's hear him tell us what Zelda is since it isn't cell shaded. How do you know Miyamoto's primary intentions for Zelda in beginning weren't to be cell shaded? Shame on you Jin, I expect more from a cool guy like you.

It would be great if everyone was as optimistic about Zelda as the people in this forum, but nearly all the people I know at church, and school decided not to get a GC just because of Zelda's change.

Also, Miyamoto's original intent for Zelda was not cell shading, because of the way they presented it at Space World.

DeathsHand · 02-25-2002, 10:05 PM

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Originally posted by Jin

Also, Miyamoto's original intent for Zelda was not cell shading, because of the way they presented it at Space World.

Well, it was just a demo... doesn't mean the game's supposed to be real doesn't mean it's supposed to be cel shaded... It's just showing purty graphics

Of course it got people so hyped up about the realistic graphics and that's a big reason they were let down but meh...

and yeah I know lots of people are dissapointed with the new look... I was too, for awhile, until I saw the movie and thought up that Lttp style + OoT-ish gameplay thing...

Now my only worry is that they will have a bunch of dumb cartoony things in the final game... people running off a cliff, but not falling until they look down and realize they are standing on nothing... stupid crap like that

GameMaster · 02-25-2002, 10:09 PM

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Originally posted by Jin
Also, Miyamoto's original intent for Zelda was not cell shading, because of the way they presented it at Space World.

Why is he doing it now then? Maybe if he was gonna do cell shading, he wanted it to look good, and at that time, he hadn't yet experimented with how the Cube could handle this art.

02-25-2002, 10:09 PM

I like cel-shading...more my kind of style I guess. And the video shown was the most fluid I've ever seen. Miyamoto's not releasing anymore screenshots or videos because of the responses that first video got. That's why the next time you'll see it will be in playable form. I suggest reading the editorial at PGC about cel-shading in relation to sprites and 3D.

I just hope it doesn't turn out looking worst like Mario seems to have.

GameMaster · 02-25-2002, 10:17 PM

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Originally posted by Danchastu
I just hope it doesn't turn out looking worst like Mario seems to have.

I would disregard the latest "screen shots" and remember the cool video.

Jin · 02-25-2002, 10:17 PM

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Originally posted by Gamemaster2002

Why is he doing it now then? Maybe if he was gonna do cell shading, he wanted it to look good, and at that time, he hadn't yet experimented with how the Cube could handle this art.

Does it really matter what Miyamoto's intent was? All that matters is the final result. I must remind you that I do own a GC, and if Zelda does turn out to be a better game, I'm all for cell shading, but Nintendo is risking an already well renown franchise. They could have experimented under the name of another franchise to be innovative, and kept all the fans that went away because of the Zelda change.

GameMaster · 02-25-2002, 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by Jin

Does it really matter what Miyamoto's intent was? All that matters is the final result. I must remind you that I do own a GC, and if Zelda does turn out to be a better game, I'm all for cell shading, but Nintendo is risking an already well renown franchise. They could have experimented under the name of another franchise to be innovative, and kept all the fans that went away because of the Zelda change.

To some extent it does matter. I tire of listening to players critisizing him for making changes to his own creations. If they don't like it, they can make a cheap rip-off like Digimon. I too own a Gamecube but am not worried about their risking a franchise. Those who play it for what it is not for it what it looks like will stay true to this classic and others will have moved on to their next "eye candy." So what is Miyamoto losing? Or maybe I should ask you what he's gaining?

Blix · 02-25-2002, 10:38 PM

And in the end. It ends up being for good. I can remember people where skeptical about zelda being done in 3d before they launched OOT.

Jin · 02-25-2002, 11:02 PM

Of course it all comes down to the gameplay. That is the most important aspect of an RPG. I wonder if Zelda will have a storyline other than the old "save the princess" theme. I'll get Zelda regardless of whether it is cell shaded or not, but in my opinion, it would feel more realistic if it was in the form of the Space World demo.

GameMaster · 02-25-2002, 11:04 PM

I agree to some extent but hey, it takes all kinds, right?

thatmariolover · 02-25-2002, 11:35 PM

Miyamoto created Zelda without knowing what he was creating. And although we might be quick to say that we know what is best for the series, I think the only person that can decide that is Miyamoto himself. Honestly, I don't know why we think they have to show off screenshots or movies at all. Nor do I know why developers have to make their games conform to how we think things should be. Look at books nowdays. They don't give away part of the plot in ads. Nor do the authors give you a voice in what happens in their books. It is written by the author.

Despite the fact that he doesn't admit it, video game making can be an art. Just like writing, singing, and dancing can all be arts, so can movie and video game making. They are allowing themselves to think out-of-the box, with whatever creativity they can muster for the project.

Miyamoto created the game. I hope he's creating it for himself.

Then he'll be happy with it.

We come second. If you like it, as I do, buy it. If not, don't. It's your loss. It's a Zelda no matter how it looks.

DeathsHand · 02-26-2002, 12:11 AM

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Originally posted by thatmariolover
Miyamoto created the game. I hope he's creating it for himself.

Then he'll be happy with it.

We come second. If you like it, as I do, buy it. If not, don't. It's your loss. It's a Zelda no matter how it looks.

Y'see, on one hand, yes Miyamoto created it, it's his and he's free to do what he wants with it etc etc...

but on the other hand...

He's also out to please other people... they're a business, we're the people who will be playing the game and he has so many loyal fans because he's known to make such great games etc etc...

Not to mention the fact that they're a business and they're out to make money FROM US by making stuff that WE want to buy so we will buy it and... they'd make money...

Soooo really there are two ways to look at it and each one makes sense in a way... so it just depends on your point of view...

You might think "Oh it's his game, let him do what he wants with it" or you might think "It may be his game, but he's making it for us to buy"... yep...