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Old 03-05-2004, 07:46 PM   #1
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NEW YORK (AP) -- If the U.S. Postal Service delivered mail for free, our mailboxes would surely runneth over with more credit-card offers, sweepstakes entries, and supermarket fliers. That's why we get so much junk e-mail: It's essentially free to send. So Microsoft Corp. chairman Bill Gates, among others, is now suggesting that we start buying "stamps" for e-mail.

Many Internet analysts worry, though, that turning e-mail into an economic commodity would undermine its value in democratizing communication. But let's start with the math: At perhaps a penny or less per item, e-mail postage wouldn't significantly dent the pocketbooks of people who send only a few messages a day. Not so for spammers who mail millions at a time.

Though postage proposals have been in limited discussion for years -- a team at Microsoft Research has been at it since 2001 -- Gates gave the idea a lift in January at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. Details came last week as part of Microsoft's anti-spam strategy. Instead of paying a penny, the sender would "buy" postage by devoting maybe 10 seconds of computing time to solving a math puzzle. The exercise would merely serve as proof of the sender's good faith.

Time is money, and spammers would presumably have to buy many more machines to solve enough puzzles. The open-source software Hashcash, available since about 1997, takes a similar approach and has been incorporated into other spam-fighting tools including Camram and Spam Assassin.

Meanwhile, Goodmail Systems Inc. has been in touch with Yahoo! Inc. and other e-mail providers about using cash. Goodmail envisions charging bulk mailers a penny a message to bypass spam filters and avoid being incorrectly tossed as junk. That all sounds good for curbing spam, but what if it kills the e-mail you want as well?

Consider how simple and inexpensive it is today to e-mail a friend, relative, or even a city-hall bureaucrat. It's nice not to have to calculate whether greeting grandma is worth a cent. And what of the communities now tied together through e-mail -- hundreds of cancer survivors sharing tips on coping; dozens of parents coordinating soccer schedules? Those pennies add up.

"It detracts from your ability to speak and to state your opinions to large groups of people," said David Farber, a veteran technologist who runs a mailing list with more than 20,000 subscribers. "It changes the whole complexion of the net."

Goodmail chief executive Richard Gingras said individuals might get to send a limited number for free, while mailing lists and nonprofit organizations might get price breaks.

But at what threshold would e-mail cease to be free? At what point might a mailing list be big or commercial enough to pay full rates? Goodmail has no price list yet, so Gingras couldn't say. Vint Cerf, one of the Internet's founding fathers, said spammers are bound to exploit any free allotments.

"The spammers will probably just keep changing their mailbox names," Cerf said. "I continue to be impressed by the agility of spammers." And who gets the payments? How do you build and pay for a system to track all this? How do you keep such a system from becoming a target for hacking and scams?

The proposals are also largely U.S.-centric, and even with seamless currency conversion, paying even a token amount would be burdensome for the developing world, said John Patrick, former vice president of Internet technology at IBM Corp.

"We have to think of not only, let's say, the relatively well-off half billion people using e-mail today, but the 5 or 6 billion who aren't using it yet but who soon will be," Patrick said.

Some proposals even allow recipients to set their own rates. A college student might accept e-mail with a one-cent stamp; a busy chief executive might demand a dollar.

"In the regular marketplace, when you have something so fast and efficient that everyone wants it, the price goes up," said Sonia Arrison of the Pacific Research Institute, a think tank that favors market-based approaches.

To think the Internet can shatter class distinctions that exist offline is "living in Fantasyland," Arrison said. Nonetheless, it will be tough to persuade people to pay -- in cash or computing time that delays mail -- for something they are used to getting for free.

Critics of postage see more promise in other approaches, including technology to better verify e-mail senders and lawsuits to drive the big spammers out of business.

"Back in the early '90s, there were e-mail systems that charged you 10 cents a message," said John Levine, an anti-spam advocate. "And they are all dead."
I don't mind solving a simple puzzle becuase I don't e-mail that often, but I'm definatley not going to pay to e-mail, not even a peeny. I don't get any spam (not yet anyways) but even if I did it's not that big a chore to just sort through it and delete it or report it to your ISP if they have that option (I know AOL does). But I understand the spam slows down the internet and stuff so I like the puzzle idea.
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Old 03-05-2004, 07:56 PM   #2
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I've been following this for awhile. At least Gates is stepping away from the penny per email thing. That was a ridiculous idea. But maybe a simple math equation would't hurt. An image of 2+2 I could contend with. But start getting too much farther and I'll break.
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Old 03-05-2004, 10:37 PM   #3
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I've been following this for awhile. At least Gates is stepping away from the penny per email thing. That was a ridiculous idea. But maybe a simple math equation would't hurt. An image of 2+2 I could contend with. But start getting too much farther and I'll break.
So 2+2+2 would be out of the question for you? lol
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Old 03-05-2004, 11:26 PM   #4
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I hate spam and I dont use email very often so I dont really care. But if they start charging a pennie for and email that would suck. earthlink trained me in customer service so I do both cs and tech support there would be soo many pissed customers my job would be hell. as for the math problem haha the spamers and stupid couldent send email.
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Old 03-06-2004, 04:45 AM   #5
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Old 03-06-2004, 11:43 AM   #6
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thats quite a good idea, i wouldn't mind solving a math problem or something like that to email somebody, but that might be because i email someone like maybe once a month


i wouldn't pay anything to send an email though...too much hassle.
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Old 03-06-2004, 02:59 PM   #7
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Let's see how much I e-mail.... in 16 months I've sent about 900 e-mails. So that's 55 mails a month, 1.8 a day.

Problem with this idea is: how are you gonna impetent the whole system in an open network?? Hackers will always find a way around it...
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