I saw the matrix-spoilers

[Crash]

this is basically going to be a thread for those who have already seen the movie and don't wanna see any spoilers. because this will be loaded with them.
scroll down if you just wanna see my end feeling after seeing it.































I am totally pissed off that it didn't answer any of my questions. DONT SCROLL IF YOU WANT PLOT DETAILS!! THERE ARE SPOILERS BELOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


























now i know why the wachowski brothers are never seen anywhere. they know that after people see this latest movie, that they'd be immediately assassinated. there was no plot (just a war with machines, and that is it) and there are no questions answered. they end up right back in the place they were in the first movie. or, why didn't neo just go through the other door in revolutions. it would have ended the same way. trinity dies anyways, why the hell? the only reason the one was there was to end the war... MY @$$, he just post poned it, the machines still rule earth. what a crock! and how does neo still have powers if the "real world" is not the matrix. i'm sticking with my original theory because i believe it.

personally i think more matrix movies without keanu reaves and mrs moss are going to suck a fat one. i am totally confused as to why this movie was even made? they would be in the same spot if neo had just chosen the other door, cept now there are a few more zionites, whom are all going to die anyways, because they are trapped in a busted up hole with no ships to fly out! and how did neo destroy smith? why couldn't he do the same thing in the first matrix, why did smith come back, and why wont he come back again? is smith really the oracles son? all this movie did was make me ask more questions! NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Null]

just as i predicted long long ago.


And as i had stated many times, the Matrix shoulda been left as 'the one'

The whole reason for the 2nd and 3rd wasnt to tell a story, wasnt to complete a vision that they had of the matrix. wasnt to answer questions. --- It was for money, plain and simple. ppl who loved the first got suckered into seeing the 2nd and 3rd.

[Jason1]

I actually never really liked any of them...Havent seen the third one...and wont until it comes out on video, and even then I might not...

[TheGame]

WTF???

Crash, Null... I strongly disagree.

I liked the first movie, but I LOVE the story for Reloaded and Revolutions (and to an extent, ETM and the Animatrix). Reloaded and Revolutions make me enjoy watching the first movie more than I orgiginally did. The first movie is the only movie in the series that lacks a point, and it left a thousand more questions than even Reloaded.

Null, how can you say that these movies weren't made to complete the vision of the Matrix? The first matrix story was incomplete, period.

Also, Crash, how would you have written the script? Your questions are more about "how" instead of "why". What did you want, another 10 minute scene with the Archetect explaining all of your little questions?

By Neo going through the other door in the matrix things would have been much different. I can't even believe that you made that comment. It would have been a real interesting ending to show exactly how human life was on Earth even though what happens next is obvious

Last time I checked there are 100,000 friendly machine ships in Zion with them, that's the way out. As for Smith coming back, DUH. If you would have watched reloaded, you would have had the answer LONG ago. When Programs face deletion they can chose to return to the source and die, or they can chose exile. The Oracle is the mother of the Matrix, that's why he called her "Mom"

Any other questions, shoot.

In my opinion Revolutions was a good movie, and if you want to count reloaded and revolutions as one movie (which they pretty much are), I say it's the best sequal to a movie that I have ever seen.

[Null]

Originally Posted by TheGame

WTF???

Crash, Null... I strongly disagree.

I liked the first movie, but I LOVE the story for Reloaded and Revolutions (and to an extent, ETM and the Animatrix). Reloaded and Revolutions make me enjoy watching the first movie more than I orgiginally did. The first movie is the only movie in the series that lacks a point, and it left a thousand more questions than even Reloaded.

Null, how can you say that these movies weren't made to complete the vision of the Matrix? The first matrix story was incomplete, period.

Also, Crash, how would you have written the script? Your questions are more about "how" instead of "why". What did you want, another 10 minute scene with the Archetect explaining all of your little questions?

By Neo going through the other door in the matrix things would have been much different. I can't even believe that you made that comment. It would have been a real interesting ending to show exactly how human life was on Earth even though what happens next is obvious

Last time I checked there are 100,000 friendly machine ships in Zion with them, that's the way out. As for Smith coming back, DUH. If you would have watched reloaded, you would have had the answer LONG ago. When Programs face deletion they can chose to return to the source and die, or they can chose exile. The Oracle is the mother of the Matrix, that's why he called her "Mom"

Any other questions, shoot.

In my opinion Revolutions was a good movie, and if you want to count reloaded and revolutions as one movie (which they pretty much are), I say it's the best sequal to a movie that I have ever seen.

said it before i saw actually. only from what i heard.... just got back from seeing it a bit ago. but my comments arent too far off.

as far as the 3rd completeing something. It completes the 2nd. i give it that. and its not that bad of doing it. But as far as the matrix story, it ends nothing. it solves nothing. They are, 'almost' in essence back where they started. its almost as if he did go thro the door and zion will have to be rebuilt, only now with the same people.

the 2nd and 3rd dont have the 'feel' the matrix had in the first. which is understandable, because they built neo up to be so unstoppable in the first. they had to find crazy ways to make him get challenged.

2 and 3, expacially 2, feel more like thier own movies, then a continuation of the story. i think 3 helped, and i right now believe i liked 3 better then 2. But neither come close to the feel of the first.

Me personally i woulda liked to see them truly end it. and maybe of added a couple more twists. (i knew it wasnt going to be a matrix in a matrix because that theory became so overly used and obvious)

All in all it just feels like we went on one big loop and are back where we started. i KNEW they would leave it open tho, because about a year after the first, i read that they were given the go for a total of 6 matrix movies. That doesnt mean they have to make them all, more that they just wanted to end it in a way that they could continue if they wanted.

[Happydude]

there is still the fact of HOW it ended...too openly if you ask me, cause the oracle said that the world is going to stay like that "for now"...would've been much better if they had shown the planet like '1 Year Later' when you can acually see the sky and you see Robots and Humans working together, and then they show Morpheus and the Crew standing over the graves of Trinity and Neo beside each other...that wouldv'e been a better ending....yup...other then that, it was a good movie...

[Rndm_Perfection]

Originally Posted by Null

All in all it just feels like we went on one big loop and are back where we started. i KNEW they would leave it open tho, because about a year after the first, i read that they were given the go for a total of 6 matrix movies. That doesnt mean they have to make them all, more that they just wanted to end it in a way that they could continue if they wanted.

Well, the way they ended the film, it's still very possible that the "real world" is a part of an elaborate control of the Matrix. If it's not a part of the Matrix, then what is Neo? What explains his powers in the real world, and what would explain the train between the real world. Weren't the programs sending their daughter to the Matrix? ... Wouldn't that mean they were "living" outside the Matrix at one point?

Crash's original plans aren't entirely blown, as there's potential for another sequal that has room to expand on the Architect and Oracle's amazing form of control, the prophecy and dual-matrix.

[Crash]

Originally Posted by Rndm_Perfection

Well, the way they ended the film, it's still very possible that the "real world" is a part of an elaborate control of the Matrix. If it's not a part of the Matrix, then what is Neo? What explains his powers in the real world, and what would explain the train between the real world. Weren't the programs sending their daughter to the Matrix? ... Wouldn't that mean they were "living" outside the Matrix at one point?

Crash's original plans aren't entirely blown, as there's potential for another sequal that has room to expand on the Architect and Oracle's amazing form of control, the prophecy and dual-matrix.

yep exactly, and i didn't hate the movie, i hate that my questions weren't answered. i loved the movie, and will see it 2-3 more times this november/december. just know that they aren't doing another movie makes me crazy!!!!!! the only reason they kept the matrix alive is so they could keep making more money off it by releasing info bit by bit and milking every dime outta it in the form of books, movies, short flicks and video games... they basically are forcing me to begin playing matrix online when it comes out.... curse them, that is what i hate. (love hate relationship)



lets take a look at themes in the movies... running through all three movies are choice, but mostly in the first one, the second movie is about purpose, and the third movie is about ________? also i did the fact that i dont understand the name of the movie until i watch the movie, who said this, revolutions not as in a revolt (like revolutionary war) but in revolving cycle...

[Blackmane]

I thought the movie was good, but I don't understand what the little girl is doing there, she is kinda creepy, and the Oracle said something about her making the funky sunrise at the end.

Also, I know that they had to close it someway, but I think we all wanted another twist that would close it in a radical, complete sort of way instead of "Oh, it starts again."

However, this time Zion is not warring with the machines, so a lot is different. It means that the Zionites don't have to be running from Agents or trying to free minds and stuff.

Also, at the end battle, do all the Smiths everywhere mean that Smith had consumed everyone and every program in the Matrix?

[ominub]

Originally Posted by Blackmane

I thought the movie was good, but I don't understand what the little girl is doing there, she is kinda creepy, and the Oracle said something about her making the funky sunrise at the end.

Also, I know that they had to close it someway, but I think we all wanted another twist that would close it in a radical, complete sort of way instead of "Oh, it starts again."

However, this time Zion is not warring with the machines, so a lot is different. It means that the Zionites don't have to be running from Agents or trying to free minds and stuff.

Also, at the end battle, do all the Smiths everywhere mean that Smith had consumed everyone and every program in the Matrix?

yes smith took over everything thats why the machines went along with neo's deal

[Professor S]

I hated hated hated hated hated hated hated hated hatd=ed hated hated hated hated hated hated hated hated this movie. Yes, the incredible special effects and the battle at the docks was great, but other than that it was total garbage, and I mean TOTAL garbage.

How even the Wachowski brothers could watch this movie and feel it was worth putting in theaters blows my mind. It is self-important melodrama in its most ugly form. And the worst part is you get the idea that the brothers actually think that they are making an important film with some sort of meaning while you watch this crap. You want examples? See below:





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1) Trinity Dies - Her death scene is so drawn out and tedious that someone screamed "JUST DIE ALREADY!" in the movie theater and whole theater CLAPPED when she finally died. I mean, we knew nothing about her character, so why should we care?

2) Neo is blinded and scarred, Trinity asks if he is ok, and he says YES... He was just BLINDED and MAULED, but he's just peachy I guess, and then he cracks a joke about Trinity having to drive. This drew some groans from the audience as well.

3) Keanu Reeves - His performance reminded me of an oak tree in the back yard. This man is completely incapable of showing any kind of emotion and yet he is a huge star in Hollywood. Amazing.

4) Nonsense masking as meaning - The Wachowski brothers have become so full of their own s**t that they think that all the tired, overblown crap that they have the Architect and The Oracle spew is actually some of of cryptic geniuos. Its not. Its babbling to make it sound that way. Also, the Oracles whole "when you know it you'll know it" lines got old during the first movie.


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This is one of the worst movies I've seen in a very long time. Please do not encourage Hollywood to spend their money on this absolute crap and DO NOT SEE THIS MOVIE.

[Rndm_Perfection]

After thinking about it more, I've drawn a new conclusion about the series...




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It is near perfection.

It started as a traditional sci-fi series, introducing new ideas, new effects, and an excellent cast of characters. As it progressed, the end became foggy, and many questions arose. However, in the end, a certain purpose to the series is reveiled, eliminating questions. I think one reason why so many people hate the final film, is because it proved that they didn't know jack **** as to what was going to happen... that is, they didn't foresee it, it's out of expectation compared to their conclusions drawn from the original "feel" of the movie.

The movie is religion. That is, every part of the film has a purpose, it is based on some form of religion. Neo being most likely Jesus, the messiah.

Err, I gotta jet, school... talk more about this later O_o.

[mickydaniels]

Originally Posted by Rndm_Perfection

The movie is religion. That is, every part of the film has a purpose, it is based on some form of religion. Neo being most likely Jesus, the messiah.

Err, I gotta jet, school... talk more about this later O_o.

After the first movie, I was almost thinking the same thing, along with that same old crap about computers controlling us.
I haven't seen any sequels because I thought the first was so crappy, but you may have a point with Neo being the Messiah.
Neo gets betrayed by one of his guys, like a Judas Iscariot, he's supposed to be a savior, in the first movie he has to be 'reborn' (baptism or being born again), Zion is such an important city. Plus I hear there's the Mark III No. 11 written on their ship. It says, "Whenever the unclean spirits saw him, they fell down before him and said, 'You are the son of God!'"

I could probably say more if I saw the latter films...
I hear there's also some Buddhist stuff, but I dunno..................

[Professor S]

The Wachowski brothers were never subtle about using Neo as a Chirst figure. That was obvious from the first movie. Just because they beat you over the head with metaphor does not make this a good movie series.

Also saying that people did not like it simply because they didn't know what was going to happen is silly. A good movie SHOULDN'T let you know what was going to happen. I didn't like the movie because after the second installment I no longer CARED what was going to happen, for the following reason:

1) Poor character development. We're told that Neo and Trinity love one another, yet there was about as much heat between them as there is in the center of a snowball. Also, what do we even know about Trinity?

2) Poor acting. Keanu Reeves is completely incapable of showing any kind of emotion. Thank God for Hugo Weaving's wonderfully over the top Agent Smith. He carries Keanu to s few tolerable scenes.

3) Horrendous Dialogue. Too many examples to show here. A main reason for the poor character devlopment. It was all plot with no story, and there is a difference.

4) Redundancy - They LOVE columns in rooms, and love blowing them up even more. It got old in the first one.

and the biigest flaw...

5) Pseudo Intellectualism. I found the exposition to be more tedious than enlightening. This was an excercise the Wachowski brother's intellectual ego's, and not actually intellectual.

The plot was good, but the execution of that plot was beyond bad.

[Null]

the movie and the series for that matter is FAR FAR FAR from perfection.