Official: Gamecube's Successor Discussion

GameKinG · 01-24-2003, 12:13 AM

I didn't really make this topic to guestimate the specs and what-not. This topic's sucbject shall be about sacrafice. Games that is.

There is no doubt that with each console supposedly releasing somewhat next to each other they will have to have a pretty spectacular launch (more-so for consoles not made by sony). And I feel these three companies will likely pull out some big stops to get their launch look more appealing.

So, what games already, or at least somewhat, announced are you willing to sacrafice for the good of cube 2? Of course its just a matter of would you be un happy should *this* game be delayed till late 2005. Also, try not to pick games that have a set release or rough release date.

And feel free to speculate what franchises or how many games Nintendo will release or how many games will they have in the first 2 months... stuff like that. Will they launch with online games?

Yoda9864 · 01-24-2003, 12:32 AM

I do not think that NIntendo will launch with online games. I do think that they will have a more solid online plan though. Only Wavebird-type controllers (probably not)?

I'd guess that they would have between 10-15 games at launch. I believe that Nintendo will move up to a regular sized dvd because of the advantage of space.

I think they will smarten up and get a Mario game out for launch, with perhaps a Zelda game following shortly after launch. I would expect nothing less from them after seeing GC's (not-the-best) launch.

EDIT: Also, I believe Nintendo will continue to stray away from their "quality over quantity" policy (in referance to 3rd party games). They are seeing this already during GC's lifetime, I think they are finally seeing that you need a wide database of games (even if half of them are crappy).

I also think Nintendo will stay true to it's statement that it is not a home entertainment console (no dvd playback, no extra stuff) and be a pure videogame console.

Ok, I'm done, what do you guys think?

Dyne · 01-24-2003, 12:36 AM

I don't know... but one thing that was sorely lacking this generation was a damn good Mario Game at release. Most of the time it's been the console seller for the first few months of it's life. I guess releasing a Super Smash Brothers Online Tournament or something to that effect, as while as a solid Mario titles, would definitely pick it up right off the ground quickly.

As for the franchises I'd like to see more. More more more. I don't care who they hire as a designer, but I just want more Nintendo games.. well... don't we all? As long as the quality factor doesn't suffer the quantity factor can go through the roof for all I care. Plus, with these last years with the GCN, it's time to start making up to 3rd parties like Konami that don't like them for jack. They better build up their reputation for good games. We know what their capable of. Now it's time to show it again so they'll see more sales.

For some more ideas, I'd want a Donkey Kong game if we don't get one this gen. I loved Donkey Kong Country but I hated Donkey Kong 64 for some reason. Also, a Fox game would be nice. And I think I speak for everyone when I say I want a long, hard, realistic, beautiful, master-piece Zelda. Console seller right there if you ask me.

Jonbo298 · 01-24-2003, 09:24 AM

I think Nintendo will stick with the mini-DVD format. By 2005, it will be more than capable of handling 3 gigs of data. Unless Nintendo or any other company will make it larger, witht he Blu-Ray disc things coming out soon. But for games, I would like another Metroid to hold off until the next gen. Also, put Luigi into his own game that isnt as bad as his first try.

Blix · 01-24-2003, 11:30 AM

Well, I think Nintendo will move up to DVDs this time or any new media they (Panasonic) has come up by the time. By that time Loading problems shouldn't be a problem really. Or maybe they'll (Panasonic) come up with a new bigger format that still uses Constant Angular Velocity (CAV ). About the games for launch. ONe Mario game should be secure this time IMO. And of course, we know that each of Nintendo's franchises will most likely make it to the system eventually. On launch I think they'll have like around 12 titles or so (lucky guess here).

TheGame · 01-24-2003, 12:16 PM

Hmm... I dunno how to exactly post in this topic, so I will list things I want them to change about Gamecube.

1) THE MEMORY CARD!-They shouldn't even release a 500kb card to begin with. It should be at very least 8MB-16MB and price is no object.

2) Change the disk format- I think having a DVD player could at least help them a little... yeah, it can raise the price of the console, or force big losses at launch, but the fact is Nintendo has to make some sacrifices to succeed. Sony was in first place, and they were willing to, and MS started in last place, also willing to.

3) Please, no more stupid decisions- Selling Rare had to be the biggest screw any company has done to it's fans. Nintendo should be more like MS, never sell, only buy.
-Also, don't go around changing your best selling series... when games have too many changes the sales usually only go down.

4) Bring back the Aki/THQ connection- I guess Nintendo didn't realize that WWF games were thier best selling third party games in the N64 generation.. or they didn't realize why. Nintendo needs to step in and make sure this connection is brought back.

5) You don't have to ditch the kiddy image but...- Give third parties and more genres of games a chance for marketing. Nintendo needs to help with Marketing thier sports games, which they did this generation, but not nearly enough. If fans think the next Nintendo system is the best place to buy the sports games I'm sure that would help sales a hell of a lot.
-Not to mention RPGs and Fighting games, oh, and racing games. Nintendo needs to have at least 3 top notch games in every genre.

6) Nintendo should look at the list of..- Best sellers for the Gamecube and the GBA, and make full fledged sequals to these games on the console format. Nintendo acts as if they don't know what thier fans like, the sales charts should say it all.

7) Sequals first, origanal content second- If they are so worried about profit they should pay attention to sequals. Think about the best selling games for most formats... either they are break-through origanal content or sequals that didn't stray far from it's original game.

I have more I'll post them later.

GameKinG · 01-24-2003, 02:20 PM

Yes, Nintendo should make a big memory card. By that time they could probably make at least a 1 gig memory card affordable.

Perfect Stu · 01-24-2003, 03:29 PM

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Originally posted by GameKinG
Yes, Nintendo should make a big memory card. By that time they could probably make at least a 1 gig memory card affordable.

add a built-in hard-drive and make memory cards optional (for trading data with friends, for example) would be a better idea IMO

GameKinG · 01-24-2003, 03:33 PM

But Nintendo seems to utilize the memory cards somewhat. And Id rather have less moving things in my system such as a harddrive.

gekko · 01-24-2003, 03:47 PM

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Originally posted by TheGame
1) THE MEMORY CARD!-They shouldn't even release a 500kb card to begin with. It should be at very least 8MB-16MB and price is no object.

Do you expect memory cards still?

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2) Change the disk format- I think having a DVD player could at least help them a little... yeah, it can raise the price of the console, or force big losses at launch, but the fact is Nintendo has to make some sacrifices to succeed. Sony was in first place, and they were willing to, and MS started in last place, also willing to.

It would be a risk. DVD burning will be much more common when these things come out, look at the problem PSX and DC suffered with by having common formats. You would be tempting fate releasing a DVD based console. Assuming they can make a disc that is proprietary, and don't have space limitations (hint hint), they should go for it. They won't benefit by including a DVD player, that was this generation.

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3) Please, no more stupid decisions- Selling Rare had to be the biggest screw any company has done to it's fans. Nintendo should be more like MS, never sell, only buy.
-Also, don't go around changing your best selling series... when games have too many changes the sales usually only go down.

I agree, no more stupid decisions. They should've sold Rare before they spent all that money on SFA. Rare has sucked recently, plain and simple. If they finally remember how to create a good game, Nintendo will probably regret it. But right now, Silicon Knights, Retro Studios, and NST have been making much better titles than Rare, and Rare cost Nintendo a lot.

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5) You don't have to ditch the kiddy image but...- Give third parties and more genres of games a chance for marketing. Nintendo needs to help with Marketing thier sports games, which they did this generation, but not nearly enough. If fans think the next Nintendo system is the best place to buy the sports games I'm sure that would help sales a hell of a lot.
-Not to mention RPGs and Fighting games, oh, and racing games. Nintendo needs to have at least 3 top notch games in every genre.

Agreed. Nintendo needs to push 3rd parties into making great games for the system, because Nintendo fans need something to play between Shiggy titles

gekko · 01-24-2003, 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by GameKinG
But Nintendo seems to utilize the memory cards somewhat. And Id rather have less moving things in my system such as a harddrive.

They could go with a different form of mass storage. But the fact is that HDs have successfully been used in laptops and MP3 players, which take quite a beating. Just make sure they get a good HD, not an IBM Deskstar.

GameKinG · 01-24-2003, 03:50 PM

I think an SD card would do...

Perfect Stu · 01-24-2003, 04:11 PM

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Originally posted by GameKinG
I think an SD card would do...

more and more games will be made utilizing the hard drive, both online and offline. having no HDD could restrict game developers big time next gen.

Yoda9864 · 01-24-2003, 06:53 PM

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Originally posted by GameKinG
I think an SD card would do...

Speaking of which, is that even out yet?? I haven't seen/heard anything about it in awhile.

Yeah, I would like a built in harddrive, definately.

GameKinG · 01-24-2003, 07:10 PM

No, its not out, and by all means, likely never will for cube.

All we need is the little adapter in which to place the card, but I think Nintendo finds it may cause for piracy somehow. I dont know how the cards work really, but I think you can put them in your computer and if there are game files on it then I suppose you might be able to do stuff...