Why McCain will Win

[Professor S]

Not to start up political topics again, but klets start up a poltiical topic!

I think the following is a perfect example that barring any medical ailment, McCain is going to win my a significant majority of votes comes November.

"I respect Sen. John McCain's service to our country," Obama said on the Senate floor this morning. "He is one of those heroes of which I speak. But I can't understand why he would line up behind the president in opposition to this GI Bill. I can't believe why he believes it is too generous to our veterans. I could not disagree with him and the president more on this issue."

The McCain campaign responded by issuing a sharply worded and lengthy statement in the senator's name. McCain notes his support for an alternative to the Webb measure, but points out his own military service and points out Obama's lack thereof.

"It is typical, but no less offensive that Sen. Obama uses the Senate floor to take cheap shots at an opponent and easy advantage of an issue he has less than zero understanding of," McCain said in the statement. "Let me say first in response to Sen. Obama, running for president is different than serving as president. The office comes with responsibilities so serious that the occupant can't always take the politically easy route without hurting the country he is sworn to defend. Unlike Sen. Obama, my admiration, respect and deep gratitude for America's veterans is something more than a convenient campaign pledge. I think I have earned the right to make that claim."

[/quote]"Senators Graham, Burr and I have offered legislation that would provide veterans with a substantial increase in educational benefits. The bill we have sponsored would increase monthly education benefits to $1500; eliminate the $1200 enrollment fee; and offer a $1000 annually for books and supplies. Importantly, we would allow veterans to transfer those benefits to their spouses or dependent children or use a part of them to pay down existing student loans. We also increase benefits to the Guard and Reserve, and even more generously to those who serve in the Selected Reserve.

"I know that my friend and fellow veteran, Senator Jim Webb, an honorable man who takes his responsibility to veterans very seriously, has offered legislation with very generous benefits. I respect and admire his position, and I would never suggest that he has anything other than the best of intentions to honor the service of deserving veterans. Both Senator Webb and I are united in our deep appreciation for the men and women who risk their lives so that the rest of us may be secure in our freedom. And I take a backseat to no one in my affection, respect and devotion to veterans. And I will not accept from Senator Obama, who did not feel it was his responsibility to serve our country in uniform, any lectures on my regard for those who did.

"The most important difference between our two approaches is that Senator Webb offers veterans who served one enlistment the same benefits as those offered veterans who have re-enlisted several times. Our bill has a sliding scale that offers generous benefits to all veterans, but increases those benefits according to the veteran's length of service. I think it is important to do that because, otherwise, we will encourage more people to leave the military after they have completed one enlistment. At a time when the United States military is fighting in two wars, and as we finally are beginning the long overdue and very urgent necessity of increasing the size of the Army and Marine Corps, one study estimates that Senator Webb's bill will reduce retention rates by 16%.[/quote]

SOURCE: http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonath...back_hard.html

Obama's political expediency and pandering (he recently expressed two differing opinions on the threat of Iran this week) are going to catch up with him once a stark contrast is made between him and a more centrist and to be quite honest, thoughtful candidate.

Polls even now are showing McCain ahead of Obama nationally and with a consdierable (I'd guess between 10-20% at most) of Hillary backers, including my wife, dead set against Obama and eager to vote for McCain if/when Hillary is out of the race. I don't see this improving for Obama barring a age related incident from McCain, especially once the contrast between the two is made more evident during head to head debates where McCain can attack Obama on issues Hillary couldn't.

SOURCE: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll

[Dyne]

I'm REALLY not into politics, and I didn't read any of that, but I think John McCain should win purely on the grounds that we can't just let whatever Bush started - in ways of "war" - go slack all of a sudden. All of that shit needs to be cleaned up properly.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Dyne

I think John McCain should win purely on the grounds that we can't just let whatever Bush started - in ways of "war" - go slack all of a sudden. All of that shit needs to be cleaned up properly.

The thing is that now it's so fucked up that it's hard to actually end it, or slow it down at all.


If you keep troops there, but bring some home, there will be an influx in the insurgency, so then to counteract that more troops than were initially there when you recalled them, will be deployed back to get rid of the insurgence.

So then after the insurgency dies down a little again, you bring some troops home. Then the influx of insurgence starts, and you need to send double the amount of troops you brought home back there again.

So each time, you're actually adding more troops, and the "bringing troops home" thing, is just only at face value.

[Jonbo298]

Getting sick of all the political bullshit going on. McCain is as crooked as Bush. Obama is becoming as crooked as Hillary. The American public is too damn stupid to realize this. Yeah, I'm preferential to Obama, but I'm getting sick of him also. First he says he'll talk to Iran. Then he goes the Bush route "No talks".

I hope America elects someone who fucks us over more. Maybe then we'll realize the mistakes we've been making for so long. I mean jesus, we re-elected Bush in '04, that says enough.

[Jason1]

You just keep telling yourself that professor, if it makes you feel better about that fact that you know Mcain wont win in November.

[DeathsHand]

Originally Posted by Professor S

Polls even now are showing McCain ahead of Obama nationally

I don't think either McCain or Obama would be a shoe-in, and I may be misremembering this (and a brief search came up with no hard numbers or facts), but I believe polls before the democratic race officially began showed Clinton well ahead of Obama...
So...

Personally, I don't like the Hussein thing... I've had enough of Hussein.



Edit:
And I dunno what polls you're looking at, but these here random charts I found told me that Obama is not only ahead of McCain in the polls, but is further ahead than Hilary in a Clinton vs. McCain scenario...

But again... "I believe polls before the democratic race officially began showed Clinton well ahead of Obama"... Polls are polls...

[GameMaster]

There is no way McCain will win. The nation at large is wholly tired with Republicans. Even Republicans are tired of Republicans. The last 8 years have been a fiasco.

It'll be a Democrat.

[manasecret]

DH, regarding the YouTube video, OMGWTF.

My opinion is the United States of America should be run by someone from the United States of America.

He's from the U.S.

But he's Muslim.

Why do you think that? He wasn't raised Muslim.

But I don't agree with that. I feel like there's a lie behind that.

Do you feel like that's a smear tactic in politics to label him as a Muslim?

Yeah I do think it's a smear tactic, but I think we have the right to know.


Hahahahaha oh gods I had my face in my hands and crying laughing at the same time watching that.

And the best one:

I just don't feel like putting a black man in there. I ain't prejudice or nothing, I just... just... don't think he should be in there.

[Bond]

Originally Posted by Jonbo298

Getting sick of all the political bullshit going on. McCain is as crooked as Bush. Obama is becoming as crooked as Hillary. The American public is too damn stupid to realize this. Yeah, I'm preferential to Obama, but I'm getting sick of him also. First he says he'll talk to Iran. Then he goes the Bush route "No talks".

I hope America elects someone who fucks us over more. Maybe then we'll realize the mistakes we've been making for so long. I mean jesus, we re-elected Bush in '04, that says enough.

I think McCain is actually one of the less crooked politicians. His history of employment consists of: serving in the military and being a senator. He is not independently wealthy. In fact, he is very likely the poorest Presidential candidate in recent history.

Now, the Republicans certainly have no business winning this election. But if they are to have a chance, John McCain is the man. He is basically a moderate Republican who is willing to compromise (see bills with Kennedy and Feingold). If Obama or Clinton were elected they would certainly not govern as moderates, they would govern to the far left as a reactionary policy toward the Bush administration.

On that same note, if Obama and Clinton were to run on the same ticket, I believe they would undoubtedly win. But I am sure their egos will get in the way and that will not happen. McCain has several superb VP choices: Jindal, Romney, and Crist. All three are young, intelligent, and engaging. My money is on Romney, but I would personally prefer Jindal. Crist is a fantastic governor of Florida as well, but I'm afraid he's too moderate for McCain to pick him.

[Angrist]

Argh, I'm crazy! I actually dreamed about this. I was in America (or America was in Holland) and all people were saying "I'm voting for McCain, because the democrats can't sort it out who will represent them." Stuff like that. And that McCain has fought against the germans.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Bond

On that same note, if Obama and Clinton were to run on the same ticket, I believe they would undoubtedly win.

That I agree with 100%. What will give McCain the win is the turnover from Hillary supporters who believe, and I think rightfully so, that Obama is probably one of the worst if not THE worst candiate ever to run for the presidency based on experience and substance. Not to mention his constant sprinklings of Marxist philosophy throughout his campaign...

And I dunno what polls you're looking at, but these here random charts I found told me that Obama is not only ahead of McCain in the polls, but is further ahead than Hilary in a Clinton vs. McCain scenario...

I linked to the poll I was referencing. Its the Rasmussen poll. Also make sure to pay attention to the demographics polled when taking polls seriously. For their general poll, they use citizens who are likely to vote and place them head to head. Polls are polls

You just keep telling yourself that professor, if it makes you feel better about that fact that you know Mcain wont win in November.

Thanks for the insight.

[Jonbo298]

Originally Posted by Bond

I think McCain is actually one of the less crooked politicians. His history of employment consists of: serving in the military and being a senator. He is not independently wealthy. In fact, he is very likely the poorest Presidential candidate in recent history.

Now, the Republicans certainly have no business winning this election. But if they are to have a chance, John McCain is the man. He is basically a moderate Republican who is willing to compromise (see bills with Kennedy and Feingold). If Obama or Clinton were elected they would certainly not govern as moderates, they would govern to the far left as a reactionary policy toward the Bush administration.

On that same note, if Obama and Clinton were to run on the same ticket, I believe they would undoubtedly win. But I am sure their egos will get in the way and that will not happen. McCain has several superb VP choices: Jindal, Romney, and Crist. All three are young, intelligent, and engaging. My money is on Romney, but I would personally prefer Jindal. Crist is a fantastic governor of Florida as well, but I'm afraid he's too moderate for McCain to pick him.

Still doesn't change my mind on all 3 of them. McCain can look less crooked, until you give him power. One of the rare senators I've seen who didn't seem so crooked was Ernie Chambers (just retired recently because he had been in for quite a long time). He was a little on the nutty side (tried dividing Omaha into 3 districts that was clearly segregated if you lived here, you would know. Also the fact he tried suing God last year), but he wasn't afraid to say what was needed. He understood what people probably needed.

[Jason1]

Okay, anyone who votes Republican in this election, is a 100% certified jackass. The Republicans have put the country in shambles, yet you people want to elect another one. Bunch of racists.

[Jonbo298]

Whoa now, calm down a bit Jason. Seriously.

[Dyne]

Originally Posted by Jason1

Okay, anyone who votes Republican in this election, is a 100% certified jackass. The Republicans have put the country in shambles, yet you people want to elect another one. Bunch of racists.

Jason1, please don't make unwarranted attacks on people. Thank you.

-Phil