Something that sickens my stomach...

[Perfect Stu]

last Sunday night, the Toronto Raptors were playing the Detroit Pistons in Detroit. While the Canadian national anthem played, fans throughout the stadium BOOed...

Now, also note that this was days after 4 Canadians were killed in Afghanistan in a training facility when an American bomber dropped a bomb (he just...screwed up big time) on the group of 8 or so Canadian soldiers.

This kind of thing makes me sick to my stomach...when I think of those people in Detroit, the words 'scum of the Earth' come to mind.

Now, I don't hold this against Americans or anything. I know that the majority of Americans respect and like Canada as a country in general. (As they should).

And now, I believe it was last night, at a hockey game in Vancouver, some fans were yelling during the American national anthem. This just makes things worse, and although they weren't 'BOOing', and it although it was retalitory, I still consider it completely wrong.

I just thought this should be brought up. Post your thoughts here.

[DeathsHand]

I think they were doing it because some fans become overcome by the "spirit of their game" and have to "root for their team" and were just "BOOing" because the opposing team happened to be from another country and it was their (as in the opposing team's) anthem... *shrugs*...

But I don't get the whole US vs. Canada thing...

Like awhile back on a game called Subspace, there was this Squad (basically like starcraft clans, except you actually create them with a password you need to join, and you get the name of the Squad by your name) called like Canadians or something... and it was just a bunch of canadians that would sit around CONSTANTLY saying negative things about americans... and it would send a ton of people in the zone (basically a game... but it usually had at least 25 people in it... most of the time even more... sometimes in the hundreds I think) in this giant arguement and it was SOOO annoying... they even had this dumb kill message like "*person they just killed*, you must be from America because that was way too easy" or something to that extent...

Then there's people like my brother who seem to hate Canada for no particular reason...

But in this case, I think it was probably just some crazy fans booing the visiting team

[Jin]

Originally posted by DeathsHand
I think they were doing it because some fans become overcome by the "spirit of their game" and have to "root for their team" and were just "BOOing" because the opposing team happened to be from another country and it was their (as in the opposing team's) anthem... *shrugs*...

But I don't get the whole US vs. Canada thing...

Like awhile back on a game called Subspace, there was this Squad (basically like starcraft clans, except you actually create them with a password you need to join, and you get the name of the Squad by your name) called like Canadians or something... and it was just a bunch of canadians that would sit around CONSTANTLY saying negative things about americans... and it would send a ton of people in the zone (basically a game... but it usually had at least 25 people in it... most of the time even more... sometimes in the hundreds I think) in this giant arguement and it was SOOO annoying... they even had this dumb kill message like "*person they just killed*, you must be from America because that was way too easy" or something to that extent...

Then there's people like my brother who seem to hate Canada for no particular reason...

But in this case, I think it was probably just some crazy fans booing the visiting team

I agree. Half of the people that BOO'd were probably drunk and have nothing against Canada. Anyway, I don't get why Canadians hate Americans, and Americans hate Canadians. We are practically the same.

[Bond]

Originally posted by Perfect Stu
last Sunday night, the Toronto Raptors were playing the Detroit Pistons in Detroit. While the Canadian national anthem played, fans throughout the stadium BOOed...

Now, also note that this was days after 4 Canadians were killed in Afghanistan in a training facility when an American bomber dropped a bomb (he just...screwed up big time) on the group of 8 or so Canadian soldiers.

This kind of thing makes me sick to my stomach...when I think of those people in Detroit, the words 'scum of the Earth' come to mind.

Now, I don't hold this against Americans or anything. I know that the majority of Americans respect and like Canada as a country in general. (As they should).

And now, I believe it was last night, at a hockey game in Vancouver, some fans were yelling during the American national anthem. This just makes things worse, and although they weren't 'BOOing', and it although it was retalitory, I still consider it completely wrong.

I just thought this should be brought up. Post your thoughts here.

Well, lets compare this to Palestine burning and stomping on the American flag.

[DeathsHand]

Originally posted by Bond

Well, lets compare this to Palestine burning and stomping on the American flag.

Well, I believe they were doing that because the US supports a country that stole their land or something to that extent, and is (or was, I dunno) doing very little to help resolve the conflict when US is such a powerful magical country and one of it's Ally's was involved...

Or something

But why did you mention that anyways?

[Gamer]

Originally posted by Bond

Well, lets compare this to Palestine burning and stomping on the American flag.

Hehe, when i saw that on tv i wanted to burn and stomp their faces. But then a couple days later on the front page of the SUN it showd a picture of some homo who was burning an american flag and lit his hair on fire, god that was helarious!

Anyways, i dont have anything against americans, i mean, there is literally no difference between us. But i do have things against americans that have no respect for canada, that is one thing i dont stand for, i mean, what has canada done to the US other than help them out? you know what i mean?

[Ginkasa]

Originally posted by Jin


I agree. Half of the people that BOO'd were probably drunk and have nothing against Canada. Anyway, I don't get why Canadians hate Americans, and Americans hate Canadians. We are practically the same.

Americans hate Canada and Canadians hate Americans?



Since when?



You know, besides the booing thing....

[Joeiss]

Way to copy almost word for word of what Don Cherry said, Stu!


And... I think that it was bad that the Americans were booing the Canadian national anthem, but who can say that this was the first time it ever happened? Yeah, that's what I thought. The fans were just getting into the game, and like others said, most were drunk.

And, I was talking to my friend who lives in Florida, and I told him about the friendly fire accident involving the American pilot and the training Canadians on the ground. He heard something about it when it first happened, but hasn't even heard anything since. So maybe those people boing didn't even know about it.

[Heyyoudvd]

"Well, I believe they were doing that because the US supports a country that stole their land or something to that extent, and is (or was, I dunno) doing very little to help resolve the conflict when US is such a powerful magical country and one of it's Ally's was involved... "


The Palestinians simply hate the U.S. and Israel because they're modern democracies, and because they're the 2 countries with the most Jews in the world (5.2 million in Israel, about 6 million in the U.S.). Plain and simply.

Anyone who supports the 9/11 attacks or the suicide bombings is scum.

BTW, no one ever stole their land, because it was never theirs to begin with.


*edit* whoops, I forgot that I can quite in this BBS as opposed to just pasting and putting quotation marks.

[Perfect Stu]

maybe I should bring up another story that Don Cherry has said, for the sake of this whole story

near toronto, a little girl was signing the american national anthem for an OHL game. (where up and coming canadian NHL stars play, if they're near ontario)...anyways, she was really nervous and forgot the words to the anthem. So she walked away. Her father told her to go back there and sing it properly. She tried again, but she started to forget the words again. Then, the Canadian crowd all started singing the anthem to help the girl along.

That's what it should be all about.

And to hear about the Detroit fans BOOing the Canadian NATIONAL ANTHEM (I don't care if they're drunk, or in the midst of a game), it really makes me wonder about the kind of people that live in this world. The same goes for those people in Vancouver.

[Perfect Stu]

and listen, I don't wanna bring up WAR here...that's a completely different story. anyone who supports something like 9/11 should be sent to hell and have the devil take care of them.

but that's not what I'm talking about

[Bond]

Originally posted by Perfect Stu
and listen, I don't wanna bring up WAR here...that's a completely different story. anyone who supports something like 9/11 should be sent to hell and have the devil take care of them.

but that's not what I'm talking about

Right, but I mean even at Iran soccer games and such they boo Americans. So I think it's a problem, but it's a problem that will never go away.

[DeathsHand]

Originally posted by Heyyoudvd
The Palestinians simply hate the U.S. and Israel because they're modern democracies, and because they're the 2 countries with the most Jews in the world (5.2 million in Israel, about 6 million in the U.S.). Plain and simply.

Anyone who supports the 9/11 attacks or the suicide bombings is scum.

BTW, no one ever stole their land, because it was never theirs to begin with.

You get palestinians saying one thing and israelies saying another...

And I dunno.... I watch the news a lot but I still don't know 100% of what's going on for sure... but my dad and grandma seem to think Israel is at fault... and even my brother who seems to hate all arabs says like "Well apparently Israel is at fault"...

And I dunno the whole story about the land thing, but my dad mentioned it, and there were a couple people debating on MSNBC about things and the guy supporting Israel was talking about the whole Jenin thing and he was like "Well why did they make the refugee camp in Jenin anyways?" and the Palestinian supporter guy (and no, they weren't just a couple people they pulled off of the streets, and they weren't people from either side's government or anything) said something about how "The only reason they needed a refugee camp in the first place is because the Israelies pushed them all out of their homes" or something I dunno the whole thing is a mess, and IMO neither side seems to want peace...

And I know stu said not to make it into a topic about the war, but I had to reply to that

[Heyyoudvd]

Originally posted by DeathsHand


You get palestinians saying one thing and israelies saying another...

And I dunno.... I watch the news a lot but I still don't know 100% of what's going on for sure... but my dad and grandma seem to think Israel is at fault... and even my brother who seems to hate all arabs says like "Well apparently Israel is at fault"...

And I dunno the whole story about the land thing, but my dad mentioned it, and there were a couple people debating on MSNBC about things and the guy supporting Israel was talking about the whole Jenin thing and he was like "Well why did they make the refugee camp in Jenin anyways?" and the Palestinian supporter guy (and no, they weren't just a couple people they pulled off of the streets, and they weren't people from either side's government or anything) said something about how "The only reason they needed a refugee camp in the first place is because the Israelies pushed them all out of their homes" or something I dunno the whole thing is a mess, and IMO neither side seems to want peace...

And I know stu said not to make it into a topic about the war, but I had to reply to that

No offense, Deathshand, but you don't exactly know what's going on.
The reason the Palestinians live in poverty has ABSOLUTLY nothing to do with Israel. It's 100% Yasser Arafat's fault.

The Palestinians Authority (their government) has received hundreds of millions of dollars from various places, including the U.S., the U.N., France, and even Israel (ie. in the Oslo accords in 1994).

Why does this money never make it to the Palestinians people? Because Yasser Arafat has stolen part of it for himself, and the rest he's spent on weapons to help kill more Israelis.

(ie. look at the Karine A incident, where he was caught trying to buy a ship full of weapons from Iran)

The main problems in the world's understanding of the issue are:

1.The palestinians are the weaker people, and people have the tendency to think that the stronger nation is always at fault, but in this case, it's the complete opposite.

2.Since these people are called Palestinians, and the land used to be called Palestine under the British Mandate, people believe that it's there land, but it in fact isn't. They only started calling themselves Palestinians after Israel had already become a country (1948), so people would believe it's their land, when it's not.


If you want, I have some great info on the history of Palestine that I can post, and I also have some great info on myths vs facts about the "Palestinians".

They're pretty long, so I'll only cut and past them here, at someone's request.

[Ginkasa]

Originally posted by Heyyoudvd
They're pretty long, so I'll only cut and past them here, at someone's request.

I'd like that...