The Draft

Crash · 06-17-2005, 07:07 PM

why are people so against the freaking draft? What is the big deal? Is it because people dont want to have to do anything for their country?

Not that I necessarily want the draft, but if my country says "we need you to help keep our country together"

damn right I'm going, and without complaining. I hate all the people who always want other people to fight and die for their right to call Bush an asshole. It's america, we have rights that some countries will never have. There IS a cost for that kind of freedom. Who will pay it. I hate those people that say, oh I love my country, but then will do not a damn thing to help out when needed.

IF the draft is put into effect, so be it, quit your bitchin'. You should be glad to help your country when you are needed. If you dont wanna help your country when needed, get the **** out!

Jason1 · 06-17-2005, 07:10 PM

I might agree with you somewhat, if we actually had a reason to be fighting over there.

Acebot44 · 06-17-2005, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason1

I might agree with you somewhat, if we actually had a reason to be fighting over there.

Mhmm

Crash · 06-17-2005, 07:18 PM

not all of the soldiers over there totally agree with the cause, but they have to be there...

better to let them fight and die, than us right?

just because they chose to be in the military, doesnt mean they chose to go to iraq.

its a job that someone has to do whether you or they agree with it or not, so what is the difference if it's something you agree with or not, it's going to be done, and people are still fighting and dying for "what has to be done"

I dont agree with the justification there.

Typhoid · 06-17-2005, 07:35 PM

Because the draft is a forceful way to get you to go.

I know that more people would be willing to volunteer for the military given the proper time, rather than be forced into it.

I knw, I, for one, would volunteer for the Army if we were in a major war that needed soldiers, However, I would also be one of those people complaining about the draft.

And I dont like the whole "You dont want to do anything for your country?" argument against people that oppose the draft. They are doing plenty. They are part of the economy. They help run the god damn country. The more people you take out of a country, the worse its economy will do in the longrun.

And its not that people "Dont want to help their country", its that they dont want to join the army, and possibly die. If the army was their line of work, wouldnt you think they would be in it already?

Professor S · 06-17-2005, 07:39 PM

Crash, you also have to remember that all the soldiers over there signed up of their own volition, they were not drafted. They knew the deal when they decided to join.

I don't believe there should be a draft unless we are under the most dire of circumstances. I mean national defeat is on the doorstep. I don't think this current war qualifies, and I believe that once Iraq calms down, intelligence will be far more important than the military in terms of combatting terrorism. Roght now the CIA has its head way up its ass. Just ask my Delaware County rep Curt Weldon who just wrote a book about how f**ked up the CIA and FBI still are.

Seth · 06-17-2005, 07:42 PM

Well, I disagree with crash on this one. (if I was a US citizen) and the draft happened right now, I'd dodge it. I'm not going to risk my life for something so intangible as a moral duty towards a nation which IMO is in Iraq for the wrong reasons.

If there was a force that had the potential to actually harm my country, and the enlistment of more soldiers was necessary for my country's defense, then I wouldn't need to be drafted, I'd probably volunteer. **** it otherwise.

KillerGremlin · 06-17-2005, 07:53 PM

I wouldn't go simply because I wouldn't kill anyone. I couldn't bring myself to killing someone. However, I know it's a dog eat dog world in Iraq, and in a kill or be killed situation I suppose I'd end up shooting - but, I doubt I'd let myself get into that situation. Call me a ***** or whatever, but maybe I'd be more motivated to kill people if I had reason to be doing it.

Bond · 06-17-2005, 07:57 PM

Millions of men and women have died to protect our country, and I would do the same if I were ever drafted. I think it would be disgraceful not to. Although now as our military is becoming more and more technologically advanced the demand for large militaries is going down, and the need for fewer, more specialized soldiers is going up, making the thought of a draft more and more unlikely.

On a side note, I wouldn't have/would not support a draft for the Iraq war, simply because it was an elective war and was not an immediate threat to national security. Although I would still go if drafted.

DarrenMcLeod · 06-17-2005, 08:02 PM

The other day I swear to God I got a letter in the mail
that said register with us or you're gonna go to jail
You'll be put inside a cage, then forced to enlist.

Well I laughed out loud, said I won't comply
To be labeled as one of those who qualify
to be shipped off to fight some ****ing war
'Cause war's not about policy, or religion, it's about economy
and I'm not dying to set your country free

(taken from Strung Out's Firecracker)

The only time a draft should take place is for national defence, at least in my opinion. If it's a world war, that's a different situation as well, but if you're just going and causing a bunch of trouble for no reason (ie: Iraq), then a draft is unnecessary.

Professor S · 06-17-2005, 08:38 PM

Just to clarify, while I would be against a draft for the Iraq war, I would also go if drafted. I don't think I'm any better than any of those that dies in Vietnam, and I would honor theie memory and sacrifice by having the guts to do what they did. I wouldn't be happy about it, but I would still do it.

On a sid note, I stupified by certain people's notions that we are going to start a draft any time soon. Where do they get this from (besides MoveOn.org and other liberal propoganda sources)? Nothing has ever been mentioned by any politician, including the President, about starting a draft. So why are people so scared that it will happen when no Congressman on their right mind would ever vote for it because it would mean their JOBS? It just makes no sense.

Crash · 06-17-2005, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Strangler

Crash, you also have to remember that all the soldiers over there signed up of their own volition, they were not drafted. They knew the deal when they decided to join.

I don't believe there should be a draft unless we are under the most dire of circumstances. I mean national defeat is on the doorstep. I don't think this current war qualifies, and I believe that once Iraq calms down, intelligence will be far more important than the military in terms of combatting terrorism. Roght now the CIA has its head way up its ass. Just ask my Delaware County rep Curt Weldon who just wrote a book about how f**ked up the CIA and FBI still are.

very well stated... I like thought out answers that explain good reason

Typhoid · 06-17-2005, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Strangler

Nothing has ever been mentioned by any politician, including the President, about starting a draft.

I agree with you, that I don't think the draft is going to happen in the US for the Iraq war anytime soon.

but that quote bugs me. Do you actually think Bush would say "Well, I'm thinking about the draft."

f*ck no. There would be so much uprisal against it. Thats why I think, if it does ever happen, it will be an overnight thing. Not an ongoing "Its coming" sort of situation. Because that gives people time to leave the country, or declare religious reasons. And the more that have time to do that, the less that get drafted.

So all in all, Saying they are thinking of a draft, or might have a draft, or a draft will possibly come, would be the single stupidest thing, Bush has ever done. It would be presidential suicide. Figuratively.

Dylflon · 06-17-2005, 09:12 PM

I am anti-draft all the way. The only way I'd fight is if my country was being invaded. Then I would take up arms with no questions asked.

I'm one of those nuts that believe we should be able to solve the world's probelms with diplomacy. I know this is wholly unrealistic in many cases of world affairs but I hope that in the future, we can get our **** together and cooperate as a united people.

I'm very anti-violence and I don't feel it fair to force people to be put in a kill or be killed situation against their will. Wars are hardly ever worth fighting.

DarrenMcLeod · 06-17-2005, 10:03 PM

Now America's got a brand new war
Can anybody tell me what we're fighting for?
Time to manufacture the illusion of safety
Don't fear, just consume to uphold the economy
Yeah we always buy everything that they're selling
Everything that they're selling

Paying for the bombs that fall on our children
Now we're headed for our own demise
Dreaming of another mushroom cloud horizon
And that's the bottom line
It's time to cancel my subscription
I just can't stomach anymore of the lies
Violence equals violence and its no solution
And that's the bottom line.

(Taken from RX Bandits - Newstand.)

For more clarification, I support the troops that go out and fight, because they are extremely brave, and they love their country and are willing to fight for it. It's the wars themselves that I don't support.