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Originally posted by The Strangler
Game, you talk about people not being able to handle a push... do you even REMEMBER Jericho's title run? He got MASSIVE heel heat, and not the Big Bossman kind, good heel heat. So what happened? He walked Steph's dog and cleaned up its poop on national TV. The WWE champ walked Steph's dog. Gee, I wonder who she was going out with at the time? Hmmmm???
And how do you know who can and can't handle a title push? I mean, how WOULD oyu know seeing that HHH won't actually put anyone over. You keep on talking about HHH winning by cheating, and that is silly. Heel champs are supposed to cheat, and face champs are supposed to overcome the cheating and win anyway. That doesn't happen with HHH. He buries everyone. How tyou can think he is a good champion blows my mind. I try and put myself in the shoes of a HHH fan and he still stinks, in all categories except maybe his mic work, and even that has become redundant and counterproductive as he just belittle's all his opponents before beating them.
Now Nash is feuding with HHH, and Booker gets the joy of working with Flair. Gee, that won't kill any heat on Booker now will it? NAW. BTW, Nash looks like he should be on crutches, the way he hobbles around the ring.
Step back and take a look. The only people that HHH puts over are those that work with him on the storylines. Thank God Jericho finally learned the politics and decided to work an angle on the same side as HHH. Now maybe he won't have to lie down for him.
Question: Who do you think would logically make sense to get over on HHH?
You blame Vince, and I'm not saying you shouldn't, but that doesn't excuse HHH's backstage politics. Not at all. He's Nero, playing his fiddle as Rome burns. HHH should pick up a bucket and try and put out the fire instead of worrying about himself.
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Hmm...
You make nice points, but I'm still trying to figue out how you are argueing with me?
Who would it logically make sense for HHH to lose to? Well, take Flair away and it would make sense for him to lose to a lot of guys. Now that he turned into a heel again, he has been barely coming out of his mathes alive. (you can disagree if you want, but come on, HHH's last title run reminds me of when he had chyna cheating for him EVERY match, he hasn't went over fairly in a long time)
As for being ready for a push, where did I say Jericho is not ready? Where did I say Jericho was not ready? In fact, I said Jericho IS ready... people who I feel who aren't ready falls into the category of.. say, A-Train.
Oh, and I remember Jericho's title run... VERY well.
WARNING: I'm about to cross the line between the time where I didn't give a damn about backstage politics and if a guy gets a push or not
Lets just put it like this... I used to
HATE Jericho, and at the time time, I used to
LOVE HHH. Back then, if I had a gun, and I met Jericho, I would have shot him. I hated everything about him, and even worse, he was champ. He wasn't a guy I loved to hate too, he was a guy where when he came on I took a bathroom break or changed the channel. I liked him in the WCW, but soon after he enterd the WWE it turned to hate.
Now, from what I know now, that was a good thing... maybe. Me crosing the line of changing the channel was bad, but hey, he was and could have been one of the biggest heels of all time. In my book, as far as my personal distaste for a wrestler at the time before I cared about backstage crap... he was the most hateable wrestler I have ever seen.
Now, is that good? No. If were still as big as he could have been, I think I would be completly turned off to the WWE right now.
Also, you say I think HHH is a good champion... I think he's not the best champ, and not even a great champ right now. But I think he's NO worse than Brock... In fact, I'd call him better (more entertaining) than Brock if you throw backstage politics out the window.
As for your rule on how a heel is supposed to lose and a face is supposed to overcome cheating, I find that to be a horrible excuse for making HHH lose. It would be a LOT worse if he won cleanly and fairly every time, and you know it.
I put it like this, if he is going to write himself in as keeping the belt, I feel he could have done a much worse job at staying a heel champ... Not to say he's doing a great job staying a heel champ, but it is still better than what it could have been.
HHH looks very vunerable, unlike our friends Mr Lensar and Mr Goldberg... an unbeatable face vs a Heel who doesn't lose but looks weaker than most championship contenders.