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Originally posted by gekko


Idiot. Clinton never preached nationalism. There's a big difference between preaching nationalism and saying America sucks. Most presidents do nothing, Bush preaches, like Hitler. And just like Hitler and the Germans, Americans are too dumb to see what Bush is doing. And as long as Bush keeps them brainwashed, he can do anything and no one will mind.

No one said they wouldn't pay. But no one waved the flag around and pretended to be patriotic. It came later, with the help of Bush.

You need to check your defenition of declaring war. Technically, we never declared war on Afghanistan. But in reality, sending troops onto foreign soil is an act of war, and Bush can control that without congress. SOCOM wants to send men, Bush approves and they're gone. In fact, we had men in Afghanistan at 0600 on 9/12. That's declaring war right there, and congress never declared war. I can garauntee we're in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and N. Korea right now. Congress doesn't need to pass that, SOCOM just needs approval. Congress even went as far as to allow bush to send in the military without their approval. So yes, Bush can declare war, and if he doesn't watch his ass, he'll get us into a war we can't win.

And i guess you forgot about Vietnam. No one wanted to go into Vietnam. All our top advisors said no, even Kennedy said no. LBJ decided we were going to war, and even had all the papers ready 3 days before Kennedy died (Murderer!). He sent us into Vietnam, and spoke with all his advisors that night. They told him that we couldn't win. By the end of the first week, LBJ knew we couldn't win, and spoke with his advisors every day about how we were going to lose. But it was too late for him to turn back, so he went on with Vietnam. Amazing how that works.

1 guy can't declare war, 1 guy can't get us into a war that we'll lose? I beg to differ, it's happened before, and it can happen again.

You can tell a person is losing an arguement when they start the name calling, make generalizations, and put words into other people's mouths.