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Originally posted by Joeiss
Well, I do not like to post when threads get large such as this one... But I guess I'll throw in my two cents into this conversation. Now remember, I have not read all of the posts, well, because there is just too damn many of them. So I'll just write what comes to my mind on different issues.

After Life

Pika and I had a conversation about this on ICQ, so I'll post what I think here. I belive that a person does not have to be a certain religion, or be in the "right" religion to go into an afterlife. I belive this: (this is a clippet of mine and Pika's conversation)

"I think that a person who accepts all people, will die. And when they die, whatever they belive in (heaven, or blackness, etc.) will happen. I think that a person who does not accept all, will also die. And when they die, whatever they believe in, the oposite will happen.

I mean, BigJustin says that everybody will go to hell. But from a Christian's point of view, I think that everybody who is not open to other religions/people will go to hell, or their equivalent of a bad place. Which is why I think we should all be positive to eachother, then we will not fear what happens after death, but welcome it."

I also think that everybody who follows the example which Martin Luther King set, will be living an amazing afterlife, the way that they want it to be.

Religions (Right, Wrong)

I do not know what I truly belive, but right now, I think that there is no true religion. I believe in Jesus Christ, and He taught us to love all and respect eachother, including those who are "lower class", and prostitutes, criminals, etc. I think that there should be a religion that just promotes peace and unity. I think that if we focus on this, then God will look down on us and be happy with what He sees... That being because I believe in God. And for Atheists, well, they can just know that what they are doing is helping them, and they will be great people if they join this "help everybody" religion.

Also, as I already said, I believe in Jesus, and I believe in His Father, God. But do you know what? Who the hell I am I to say that Jesus is my Saviour? I mean, there are so many different religions, so many different people who believe in God, so many people who do not believe in God, so how do I know that He is God? And hell, how do I know that there is a God? I think about this alot, and I still am confused, very, very much confused at that.

Creation

Wow... Just go outside and look around. Look at the stars. Look at the trees, the grass, the houses, the people. It is amazing how many things there are on this land. It is amazing how many events have taken place, and how many adoptations animals and mamals have done. So how the f*ck did this all start? I have no friggen clue. Was is created by God? Was it created in a big BANG? Here are some of my thoughts.

God Theory : God created everything. God created the Universe, God created the planets, God created animals and man. This all makes sence, except for the nagging fact of WHO THE F*CK CREATED GOD? I mean, did God have a father? I doubt it. And even if He did, then who created Him? I mean, I think that it is amazing that I am alive right now, and that I am breathing and that I can function. This is crazy, I mean, how could this have happened? I have no clue.

BANG theory : Another one that ends up in a question of "Who created the Universe so this could all happen". I am really confused about this theory too because I am just too damn skeptical of things being created without anybody to create them. But then, how am I alive?

So, as one can see, my views on creation are messed up and I am just flat out confused about it. I just cannot see how something can just appear out of thin air. It is so damn confusing. And the only way that we can probably find out is if we die. That sucks.

Conclusion

Love all. Strive to be equal to all. Respect all nations, religions, and nature. Follow the plans that Marting Luther King jr. did. And most of all, do not think that just because somebody is not up to your standards, or do not follow the same views as you, do not think less of them. Because everybody is unique, and precious.

This is the first post from a God-believing forum-goer that I could really appreciate. Why?

Love. This is the first post to focus on it. Love everyone, respect everyone, be open to everyone, and accept everyone. Definition of everyone: the people that you love, the people you don't love, people of "lower class" or "higher class", whores, druggies, rapists, and so on. Don't judge, lest ye be judged. It seems everyone here is so busy in defending their religion (here being Christianity) that they forget the real purpose of the whole thing. Love.

"I do not know what I truly belive, but right now, I think that there is no true religion."

I think in agreement. I don't know what I believe, but I know I don't believe in religion. A great man once said, "When God meets money, you get religion."

God or god

Also, as I already said, I believe in Jesus, and I believe in His Father, God. But do you know what? Who the hell I am I to say that Jesus is my Saviour? I mean, there are so many different religions, so many different people who believe in God, so many people who do not believe in God, so how do I know that He is God? And hell, how do I know that there is a God? I think about this alot, and I still am confused, very, very much confused at that.

I'm in a similar situation. I used to (somewhat) firmly believe in Christianity and in Jesus as God, but I've slowly questioned that and looked elsewhere. Firstly the whole corruption of religion turned me away. Then I wonder about the infinite universe (or multiverse) and how I can not possibly see it without other life in it.

Then I wonder about how similar we are to other animals, and how it just seems like we're nothing more than another species. I mean, we depend on the meat of animals and the air from plants and nutrients from bacteria, etc. If they weren't there, we would never live. To me, that helps proves we're nothing more than part of nature, not made by a god who is deeply concerned in our lives. Then I go from there and wonder about how saying we are created by god makes us feel superior to everything, almost turning ourselves into our own gods, which goes against the whole humbleness that most love-promoting religions preach.

But then I digress. I learn about the supposed multiverse and the complete unexplained quantum happenings. Ok, there's a big bang, but what about before that? Why was the big bang where it was? Why is the big bang even there? Why is anything here? Why I am I here thinking and typing? Why is there any reason for any of this? And I have to turn to something greater than what we are.

Higher, but Not God

We as humans think we are such powerful and superior beings, but what have we accomplished? Big buildings and big explosions? Sure, relative to us we look like real badass beings, but we don't know or understand anything of real importance. We may understand some physics, but referring back to those questions I asked: can anyone help me know exactly what (and which) infinity before the inifinity of the multiverse helped make this inifinity cause the next infinity of the whole infinity?

"Guh?" is right.

As of now, I don't believe in god, but I do believe in something higher and something far greater than we will ever be or even comprehend. In a way, that is god. But I don't think of god as an entity, just something that is higher, an idea, an expression, or even something so high we have no understanding of what we would call it.

I also see something higher in more than just what we don't understand. There is so much beauty in the world, from the sunsets to the flowers to the love I have for a girl or the love I have for my baby niece, the unexplained and immense beauty that can be seen in just about anything in the things we see or hear, touch or taste, feel and sense (or don't sense) makes me believe there is again something higher than we are.

But maybe this is a low-level "higher," as we can perceive this with our senses. Or maybe this is what all of higher is made of, just it becomes more complicated. Or maybe if we had senses other than the five we have we could then perceive other types of beauty and higher.

Conclusion

I don't know what I believe, I constantly ponder such things. But for some reason or another (of which I also ponder), I believe we as humans are driven to love one another and eventually live in harmony. People such as Jesus and Ghandi were on the right track; it's too bad it's hard to follow the path.

And I conclude with a quote from a great man,

"Love all. Strive to be equal to all. Respect all nations, religions, and nature. Follow the plans that Marting Luther King jr. did. And most of all, do not think that just because somebody is not up to your standards, or do not follow the same views as you, do not think less of them. Because everybody is unique, and precious. "
-Joeiss