[LeonMagnolis]

:: Slowly works his way through three bags of chips, a Whopper, a medium cherry coke, a bowl of icecream, a glass of milk, and an altoids mint as he reads Chris's long and winded post. :: I'm about to deem your post not worth arguing because it's-- annoying-- to argue with nitpickers. But I have some spare time and a couple shots of Jamacian rum left, so I might as well.

Then you say "And I am tired of people trying to convince me that there is no God" If you're implying the people who are saying there's no god in this topic is trying to tell you there's no god, then you obviously can't read.

Oh come now-- you don't need to stoop to insults, my friend. And do try to take things in context. If you would take a second look and read my post more carefully, you might catch the small fact that I said that in response to one of the atheists in here saying "I am tired of Christians trying to convince me that there is a God." Ahh, here it is. now read again and try to look at the bigger picture instead of finding every little problem you can with my posts.

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I too am also annoyed at attempts to "educate" (read: convert) me to believing in a god
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And I am tired of people trying to convince me that there is no God. But let me just say, if you're willing to change your beliefs because of some chat on the internet, then you were never that solid in them to begin with.>>>

Now read the WHOLE post, and maybe you'll see that I had a point that was not directed at you or anyone else here, but was just something that we should all keep in mind in general.

Who says you have to? This is a topic about why we DON'T believe in god, and I'm telling you. You're giving us a lotta crap about odds and what John 3:19 says for no reason. I said "I don't have to prove something wrong to know it's not real." Key word: I

:: Raises a brow. ::

John three nineteen? You mean three sixteen, right? Again, TRY to take things in context. The only scripture I quoted was for Justin to set him straight about several common misconceptions he had. Now I'm not sure why you feel the need to attack me for that, but perhaps if you read Revelation 40:93, everything may become clear for you. :: Sarcasm. ::

As I said before, I don't expect to get the answers from a bunch of kids. I don't expect to be able to solve every Biblical paradox and every arguement ever brought against Christainity. Let me spell this out for you-- "I don't expect to get all the answers from a video game forum."

And how exactly could we prove you wrong if we were right? We can't because like I said millions of times before, you'd have to die first. Everything about religion is just so convenient for the people who are arguing in favor of it because there's absolutely nothing we can do to prove it wrong. But ask yourself this: Can you prove there is a god? If so, please prove it to me. You can't. So if I can't prove it wrong, and you can't prove it to be true, then I'll go by logic. And logic says that there isn't an all-powerful being who can control everyone in the world.

Hmm-- can I prove there is a God. Tell you what-- look at the other hundred or so posts here and read a little. You just might see that everyone here understands that there is no way to prove that there is or isn't a God. After that, look at your post again.

And once more, I do believe your logic is flawed.

And of course there's that question again that NOBODY can answer: Who made god? Does god have a god?

I'll admit that in these arguements, many times, the Christians overlook the Atheists posts and simply ignore the details-- but seeing an atheist ignore a Christian's post-- that's something new now.

Who made God? Nobody, he always has been and always will be. That is the best answer you're ever going to get from anyone and you should probably accept it as so.

Nope, I can't comprehend that... Because it would be too good of a place compared to what we have now. Religion just starts fights, wars, and causes millions of deaths. The attack on the WTC buildings wouldn't have happened if it weren't for religion. WWII? Religion. Should I go on?

Oh come now-- there he goes ignoring my post once more. No, there wouldn't have been a 9/11 attack, because odds are the WTC wouldn't have existed. How can you blame WW2 on Religion? Do you really think that Hitler would have stayed silent if he had no "religion." NO. He would have easily found some other foothold.

What the hell are you trying to say here? I said the universe is all around me... IT IS. It's a fact, if you wanna argue this then you're too stupid to have an opinion on anything anyway. It's also a fact that I don't see god, and neither do you. I don't hear god, and neither do you. I don't feel god's hand helping me when I need help, and neither do you. So if you can't see him, touch him, hear him, then you have no clue if he's real do you? No, you don't. So why do you believe him?

Once more, let's not result to petty insults.

Prove to me the universe exists using scientific methods. Prove to me that there is space out there. Prove to me that my senses are not decieving me and that we're not all riding on a disc shaped world on the back of four elephants who in turn ride ont he back of the great turtle a'tun. Prove to me that what we see is really here. I don't feel the universe, but you believe it's there. Go ahead, feel the space. Tell me what you see. Take a look at space. Is it real? Or are your senses just decieving you?
So if you can't feel space, and if you can't touch it, smell it, hear it, or taste it, then you have no clue if it's real, don't you.

And you seem to like to talk about odds. Well, you never mention that odds of there being a god... And using simple logic, I think you can agree with me that the odds are too horrible to even comprehend. I mean, have you ever seen an all powerful being that can do anything he wants? Have you ever seen someone who just lives in someplace we never see? Have you ever seen someone create millions and millions of people before? I'll assume you answer "no" to the questions, then the odds of there being a god is pretty damn bad. So giving the odds you gave about the science crap, yes, I'd take them odds over the odds of there being a god.

:: Raises a brow. ::

Have you ever studied probability before? Take a course or two. I did. You should too. It might clear this gross misconception that you seem to have about being able to estimate the odds of there being a god.

Now understand that to measure the odds of something, it must be possable. For God to create something, He Himself must exist, therefore, in a very subtle on your part and nitpicky on my part way, you've admitted that he does exist.

The gory details aside, as I said before, take a course or two on probability and perhaps you'll understand what i'm talking about.

Staying on the topic about odds, what do you think the odds that your religion is right over every other religion? Have you tried every religion? No you haven't, because that's impossible. So the odds of your religion, being right over every other one that you've never even heard of aren't very good, are they?

Oh come now-- I do believe that this was addressed in the other posts. As I said before, dont' randomly skip parts of a post. You might miss something.