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Originally posted by Shadow Fox
There is no debate. Gamers don't buy games because of hardware features, or timing. Pricing isn't even as important considering most will buy a high-quality game for $45 than a crappy one for $15.

Yes there is, there is very much a debate

And, your lil $15 vs $45 thing is't valid because I'm talking about what ships consoles, now what ships games. As far as price-effectiveness goes, i's a HUGE factor in if you would buy a console or not. If Xbox didn't have a built in HD, costed $100 more, and had a $50 memory card, you are saying the game quality of Halo would still make you go out and buy one?

I bought my Xbox for Halo, the promise of XboxLive, and Malice, truthfully. All of which are related to games themselves (more or less the XboxLive title I want is Halo 2, and maybe CVS2, but eh). I didn't buy my Xbox just to buy a seperate remote to play DVD's, and I didn't even buy my PS2 for that. While the DVD features are great (even on the Panasonic Q), media playback is really a SECONDARY function of a console, and will always be that way.

Tell that to consumers in Japan when Ps2 launched... The DVD player has value, and gives both systems an edge over GCN. If you live in a house without a DVD player, and you have no money (in other words, your parents buy al the games) , the system your parents will most easily buy into is the Ps2. For your parents the DVD player maybe the primary function,for you the games may have been, but either way you look at itthe DVD player is a factor in the systems value, and a reason to buy one.

It all depends on the person...

Hell, I bought a GCN for damn-good Nintendo games, and KI3 (which I'll now have to get on Xbox if it resurfaces). True, all three consoles have their own advantages over one another hardwarewise, but think about it- PS2 having a very rough ISA isn't going to stop me from playing Metal Gear Solid 2, or GTA VC. GCN having smaller disc capacity isn't gonna stop me from playing thru Resident Evil 4. And Xbox's weaker texture layering damn-sure isn't gonna stop me from buying Halo 2 or Perfect Dark 2/0.

Of course the hardware isn't going to effect you or change your mind when buying a new game... A good game is a good game, period. But, like I said before, timing, priceing, and hardware value DOES effect if you are going to buy a system or Not.

Timing: The most obvious... if DC was released fall of 2001, it the exact same shape it was fall of 99, with the same $200 price tag, you wouldn't buy it... because the hardware is serverely outdated, not because the games are weak. If you would buy it, you must be smokin somthing.

Hardware Value and Priceing: it makes a difference... right now, $$$ for $$$ the most valuable system is winning. You have a Psx ($50) DVD Player ($100)... then that leaves what price for the Ps2 game player? While on the other end you have GCN $150... all games. Then Xbox... $230 for a DVD player and the system.

but the question is... are we argueing about how you personally chose your console, or how america is buying.

Personally, I'm like you, games first, then hardware... but that ain't how the plublic choses. The only people who really matter here are the peeps who buy one, and ONLY one console... what makes them chose that certain one over the others? Well, what advantages does Ps2 have? That the's only explanation.