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Old 01-21-2003, 02:41 PM   #108
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"IX. 5-6: Kill those who join other gods with God wherever you may find them."
This verse is dealing with not killing anyone who is innocent. Why would God want the innocent to be killed for no reason? It defies reason.

The verse is referring to when war becomes inevitable [Read up any commentary on the Qur’an, particularly for us people who don’t understand Arabic, and also just read the verses before, and check what the chapter is dealing with].

So the verse is saying War must be persecuted with complete vigour if WAR is inevitable i.e all democratic options have been exhausted to the brim. In one particular commentary of this verse it is stated ‘According to the English phrase, you cannot fight with kid gloves. The fighting may take form of killing, capture, or siege, or ambush and other stratagems, but even if there is room for repentance and amendment of the part of the guilty party, and if that takes place, our duty Is forgiveness and the establishment of peace.’

So basically this verse is dealing with WAR.

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"IV.76: Those who believe fight in the cause of God."
You've missed out the verse before it:

And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the Cause of Allâh, and for those weak, ill_treated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help."

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"IV.89: They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper."
This verse is referring to a person who by false pretences comes into the inner counsels of e.g a government, or Islamic state [Khalifah], merely to betray them, he may be rightly treateas as a traitor, and be punished for his treason, if he escapes, he can be treated as an enemy. He is worse than an enemy,he has claimed to be one of you in order to spy on you, and been all the time helping the enemy.

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[b]"IV.74: Let those who fight in the cause of God who barter the life of this world for that which is to come; for whoever fights on God's path, whether he is killed or triumphs, We will give him a handsome reward."[/B
This is referring to a fighter who has left the life of this world, just to please his lord, and fight to defend people, or defend his land, fighting in the cause of Allah. If he is killed, he is termed as a shaeed [A martyr]. So I dont know what you're trying to prove by all these verses? Because there is no mention of violence against infidels.

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"VIII.39-42: Say to the Infidels: if they desist from their unbelief, what is now past shall be forgiven; but if they return to it, they have already before them the doom of the ancients! Fight then against them till strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it God's."
Say to those who have disbelieved, if they cease (from disbelief) their past will be forgiven. But if they return (thereto), then the examples of those (punished) before them have already preceded (as a warning).

If someone stops disbelieving, and starts believing in the correct Lord, with a sincere repentance, and a new change, then he will be forgiven for all his past. And if they continue to disbelieve in Allah, then there have been many nations in the past which have been destroyed......
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