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"I just want to say that I've looked at many other religions and found flaws-- small things that go wrong. I, myself, am a Christain, and I believe in what I believe because of the facts I know about the Bible and God."

You've looked ay "many other religions." I bet you've "looked" into christianty a LOT more than the others, haven't you? And either way, you can't find flaws in the bible? Have you even read anyone else's replies, or just decided to "dissect" mine because it was shorter? Read sdtpikachu's replies... And Gekko said already "The Bible is a book about morals. Funny, because a lot of the stuff in the bible is made up. Garden of Eden... doesn't exist. Nice story until we got satellites and looked all over Egypt. It ain't there. Oh ya, and Apples can't grow in that region, so don't think they ate from an Apple tree. How do people still believe in it? They say if God doesn't want you to find it, you won't. Seems to me that ran out of answers" No flaws my ass.

"I haven't tried every religion, but I've studied the bible, Read up on it's backround, compared it with other books, and found it to be the most logical one out there."

And what makes it so impossible that we just haven't discovered how the universe was made yet? Science is CONSTANTLY discovering new things, yet you religious people don't acknowledge this. It may be the most logical, but how do you know there won't be a religion started in the enxt few years that is even more logical, or a scientish can prove a different way that the universe started?

"But it's simple enough to argue that everything around here is the effect of God's workmanship. Please, think about what you say before you say it"

ME think what I say before you think? First off, "air" is scientifically proven (you know what I mean) whereas there being a god is not. And everything is the effect of god's workmanship? Howso? I'm typing this because I WANT TO, bot because "god" told me to. I ate pizza today... god didn't make me, I ate it because I damn well wanted to. I kicked a cat today, why would god make me or even let me kick a cat? He's not stopping me from/making me do(oing) anything. If you can prove he is, be my guest.

"As for the controlling people-- that is simple. Look at the kings and dictators of this century. Take hitler for example. He controlled a country. If he didn't have control over the people, would they really have let him kill 500,000 jews (I'm not sure about the number). Would they really have let him start a war? He was in control-- No question about it."

That's different, and you know it. Hitler talked people into believening what he though. He made them think what he wanted them to do would help them and their country. He convinved them that they were donig the right thing. That's not what you people claim that god did/does, you're claiming that god created us and has complete control over everything we do. Show me ANYHTING that has complete control over things we do, nevermind creates people, and I might believe you.

"Who made the universe? Then why should we believe it's real? "

Who made the universe? We don't know, but that's not to say we'll never know. Scientists are constantly discovering new things, right? Right. So what makes you so confident that they'll never discover who created the universe? And we should believe the universe is real because we live in it. I see the universe, it's all around me. I don't see god anywhere.

And I don't believe you answered the question "Who has ever seen god?"

"You make it sound like it's a conspiricy. And what makes you think that most of the things that have to do with God happen after you die? As far as you know, we all go to Heaven after we die and that's it. Have you read the Bible and tried to understand what it says? If you did, then I'm sure you would realize that God has alot to do with us while we're still in this world."

If god had a lot to do with me right now, I would know it. I do what I want, why I want, when I want, and god doesn't cease me from donig anything, so what exactly is god doing then? Most christians will even admit that you cannot prove god wrong until you die and find out for sure, and it's true, I can't prove god wrong until after I die, right? Which is why no can can prove him wrong, because everyone who would know the truth would be dead, so it's just a conspiracy, yes. You can't prove he's real, can you? If you can, prove it to me. And if you can't, and no one else can, I have to wait until I die, in which case I wouldn't be able to tell you there was no god.

"And why would he do that? If he WAS real, then what would give you the right to tell him what to do, and what makes you think that you have half a clue of what he would do? Just another thought."

LOL... What makes YOU think you'd have half a clue as to what he thinks? I've seen several, several christians (TheGame as an example in GT for sure) say what god thinks, and how do you know? You don't, but you said the bible seems logical to you before... Well doesn't it seem logical to you that if god created me, he'd want me to know he did so?