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Originally posted by The Strangler
You are going about things backward. If you want me to believe that the Qur'an is true, you have to prove it to ME, I don't need to disprove it. To me its just ba collection of words and is as valid as Norse Mythology, the Old Testament or Greek Mythology. It may be absolute truth to you, but its not to a whole lot of people to say the least.
By the way, if you do take the Qur'an literally, then you must agree with the whole "killing of infidels (read: anyone who ain't muslim) will gain you acceptance to nirvana and fifty whores sucking your knob while you eat a steak sandwich". So, I suppose you and great friends with Osama Bin Ladin and are planning a suicide bombing as I write this.
As for memorization, thats hilarious. The stories in the Qur'an were told word of mouth long before they were put to paper. This is when changes are made. Has it been changed as many times as the Bible? Probably not, but its still 99% likely that it has changed over the course of several thousand years.
But keep on spouting about how the Qur'an has never changed and is the literal word of God. Its much easier to simply repeat what you've been told rather than actually think for yourself.
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I'll be back to comment later and answer other questions, but just a brief post first. (I've been very busy lately)...
First off, your post shows how naive you are about Islam, and the contents of the Qur'aan. Even non-muslims aknowledge the beauty of the Qur'aan, and say how it IS a true miracle, and the true religion, yet don't convert due to some reason or another. I suggest you actually read the Qur'aan, or learn about it your own way. I think it is quite patently obvious you haven't really read anything about it, yet to have the gaul to make something up like the 'killing of infidels' will get you into heaven, is in the Qur'aan... That joke about planning a suicide bombing wasn't funny either. If you want to know something, just ask, instead of showing how you don't know anything about Islam. Suicide is TOTALLY forbidden in Islam, and nowhere in the Qur'aan does it say it is allowed. In fact, it is said that the method you use to kill yourself with, will be what will used to kill you repeatedly in Hell.
Your argument is pretty weak Strangler, there is absolutely NO proof at all that the Qur'aan has been changed. I think the correct way to go about it is if YOU try to find proof that it has been changed, (like how it is easy to find proof that other holy books have been changed), since you made the original statement that it had been. I think the challenge HAS been set for you... Just try and find anything different in any and evry Qur'aan in existance, it will be utterly hopeless, because many have TRIED, and FAILED, and I find it amusing that you're probably the only person that refutes the statement that the Qur'aan is indeed in the form it was when it was revealed. Even Priests, people who have dedicated so much time and effort, conclude that there is nothing changed within the Qur'aan, and that is why many of them actually convert to Islam...
But don't take my word for it, please read the links provided. Within them, the writer gives a perfectly acceptable reason as to why the Qur'aan is still in an untouched form, you may find this in the Use and Mention of Words section and everything after it in the first link...
I'll just refer you to this site, if you have time, please read the two articles (I'm not saying you should or anything, but I'd like to know that when you do ask a question or something, you'd have read the articles I've presented first)... Warning, the articles are long, but, to me atleast, they are very interesting, and a must read for those unfamilair with the Qur'aan and Islam:
First one... (I recommend you ATLEAST read everything from 'Use and Mention of Words')
Second one...
I'll be back in a few days/one week, and hopefully answer any questions outstanding.