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And you shouldn't keep bragging about how you 'saved our asses' in WW2. So you did, but like someone here said, if the US didn't exist, another country would have been in it's place that wouldn't have waited until 1943 (4 years after the war started) to come and help. Millions of innocent Jews would have been saved. But I don't have the feeling you really care about that, Strangler. No, you're a real American!
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Angrist basically said that the Holocaust happened because the US didn't step in earlier and stop it. You can play all the semantics you want, but thats what he said.
And my point has never been that we do everything right, my point has been that the only reason why we do things wrong is because we tend to be only country who tries to help. Its hard to do anything wrong, if you don't do anything. While in hindsight Vietnam was a very bad idea, in the political climate of the time it was fully supported when it first started.
DH, you keep accusing me of blind patriotism when I am one of the few posters on this thread who has actually cited history and fact to back up my statements while people who argue with me use strictly opinion, media propoganda and conjecture.
As for Iraq, check my last post before thinking that I have shied away from that subject. One year ago we claimed that any country that harbored terrorism was an enemy of the free world, and the rest of the free world agreed. Now a year later everyone is knuckling under to the false notion of a "civilized resolution".
I understand that other countries have been the targets of terrorism, but to compare a random car bomb or granade to the incineration and dismemberment of thousands is insulting to me. Not to mention that the next biggest victim of terrorism, Isreal, is also under the political microscope for their defense of their people. The US is not THE TARGET for Islamic fundamentalist terrorism now that it has been shown that it can be done.
The problem lies in ethnocentric thought. We think that because the Western world has a high value on peace and human life, that every culture does and reason will win in the end. The flaw in that argument is that the Middle East has a culture that is completely different from the Western World. They are essentially a thinly tied tribes held together with religious fanaticism and violence. Their constant warring with one another has left the oil-rich countries dominated by religious and military despots and oil-less countries left with multiple factions in a constant state of struggle. Many Arabs do not know what peace is. In an interview I watched with a member of an Afghani tribal warrior, he said hge enjoys fighting, because without the fighting there wouldn't be anything left but poverty and despair.
But we still all strive for the reasonable, peaceful resolution and men like Saddam Hussein use our humanitarian nature against us. He constantly tests our mettle by refusing to allow inspectors into his fascilities, and then just when he feels that international opinion is about to turn on him, he turns around a says:
"I have a change of heart. Come in a check them as much as you want." This, of course, is after he has had months to move any biological or nuclear weapons he has to safe locations. And we all fall for it.
Mark my words, if we continue to tip toe around international opinion and allow those who have no reason to fear a durty nuke being set off in their country, we will be attacked again. And this time I fear more will wind up dead.
Deathshand, like Al Gore, your "this isn't that bad" attitude will cause innocents to be killed.