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Posted by Gekko:

EA's name alone DOESN'T sell titles, period. Nobody buys games because they are made by EA

Originally posted by ~VIN~
I buy games because they say EA on the box.

Nobody eh? I know I buy games just because EA makes them, and Vin does too apparently. I know Stu does... and I know the people who bought any "EA Big" games or Madden games year after year do.

Hell, if EA made NFL 2k2, and Sega made Madden 2002, I'd buy NFL 2k2 first just because of my trust for the developer brand name EA.

Unless I'm nobody of course

Some of the franchises EA has sell on that name, but not on the name EA. People buy Madden because it's Madden, but not because it's EA. It's the franchise itself that sells, not EA. EA releases new games all the time and no one buys them. Look at the Simpsons Road Rage. EA's name didn't help sell that game in any way. No one looks at a game and says it's being developed by EA so it'll be good. They say "It's Madden so it will kick ass" or something like that. EA's name doesn't sell.

Yes, it does... When people in 1995/1994 decided that they were going to buy NBA Live, NHL, March Madness, Bill Walsh Football, and Fifa Soccer over any other sports game in the industry, was it because they all had the name "Madden" on it or was it because it had the name "EA Sports" on it?

NBA Street and SSX got popular VERY fast, not because of how great the games were, but because it was developed by EA Sports (just with the word "Big" by it).

You can't even sit here and deny that the name "EA" doesn't have the biggest strong hold on the sports market as a developer, and the biggest grip on the whole market as a plublisher.

Depends on what game Sega releases. I bought SA2:B again. I'll buy Shenmue II again. If they remake some other games, I'll likely buy those. But it's not like they're spending tons of effort porting these games over. It takes a lot less time to add a few things to Sonic 2, and add stuff to PSO and port it, than it does to make a whole new game. It takes less employees, and a lot less money. So in the end, even if it doesn't sell like it did on DC, they're not out any money by porting hit games over.

You are a bad example, you NEVER beat SA:2 before you got it on GCN, so for you it's like buying a whole new game. I don't know about Shenume 2, have you beat it? Just imagine a game on DC that you have beat over and over on DC, then think of the port that isn't more visually impressive, and with USELESS added features.

You are right though, ports aren't bad for making money. But, I never said it will be bad for money, simply bad for DC fans, the same DC fans who are expected to buy these games again

Does EA's college games sell that well? To my knowledge, college games never really sold that well. But by using the NFL 2K engine, changing character models and teams, it's another game that's not very expensive to make, so it doesn't hurt them

1) NCAA 2002 sold great last year... NCAA 2k2 didn't

2) It isn't cheap to make a college game, ANY way you look at it.

You have to make the jersys and logos AND uniforms for more than 100 schools. Slow the game down to college speed. Plus, find a franchise formula which fit on a Memory Card, and that can save more than 100 teams players and statistics.

(compare NCAA 2k2 to NCAA 2002... one has player names, one only has numbers, that alone shows how much more Memory Ps2 can utilize)

Yes, this is off subject, but don't underestimate how much work a great college football title takes.

Not really. Even if the Sega name would help sell the game, it doesn't matter. It's too different of a game. Sega releases NFL 2K, everyone loves it. It might help sell NBA 2K and NHL 2K, but Soccer Slam is an arcade soccer game with weird-ass characters. No matter what Sega does, it doesn't help sell it. And even so, as it is now, there was only 1 game for it to compete with. If they waited, it would be up against 2002 FIFA World Cup and Virtua Striker 2002, now out, and Visual Concept's upcoming simulation soccer game, as well as a new game from Konami. It wouldn't help. You gotta start the new franchises sometime, and most people agree this game kicks ass. It wouldn't sell more if released later, cause no one would know if it's any good or not. Soccer Slam will only help sell Soccer Slam sequels, and other funky-sports games from Visual Concepts.

If Sega had a name as big as EA's, it would sell, just like NBA Street...

Hmm... I kinda just said the same thing, then read this. EA Sports helps sell EA Sports, that's the conclusion, correct? Now see, Soccer Slam isn't a simulation sports title. NFL 2K helped NBA 2K and NHL 2K, probably even Virtua Tennis. Virtua Striker sucks, nothing can help it. But Soccer Slam is nothing like those. I'm sure the Sega Sports series will help sell the upcoming soccer sim from VC, but Soccer Slam? Not a chance. It would be like Excitebike helping to sell Kameo, just doesn't work that way. Same with Final Fantasy helping to sell a Square FPS

Once again, NBA Street...

AND, did you see how "Bouncer"'s launch sales compared to other launch titles? The name Square sold that game left and right.

What I was saying is Monkey Ball sold better than expected. JSRF did decent. But guess what? It was never on 3 consoles like Bond was. And Crazy Taxi, for DC, PS2, and GC, sold was more than Bond. You can't say Crazy Taxi was a joke because you only chose to count the ports that came over a year after the original, and after a sequel. It would be like trying to sell Madden 2001 on Gamecube. Crazy Taxi outsold Bond by a lot. And EA's sales are higher because Sega has only had what? Half-a-year tops to develop, and release games on these consoles. It's far from fair.

LOL

Ok, when did Dreamcast come into this? On Dreamcast, those were first party games, so it isn't even fair to be in the comparision...

On Ps2... Bond out-sold Taxi... On GCN.. Bond out-sold Taxi and Monkey Ball... On Xbox... I think JSRF may have beat bond, but I dunno.

Make SINGLE console comparisions.. I didn't say Bond as a whole sold more, on each platform it got it's competition (except maybe Xbox)

Super Monkey Ball, JSRF, and Soccer Slam are all quality titles, whether you like them or not. So is Home Run King, Virtua Fighter 4, NFL 2K2, and NBA 2K2. And you don't think EA releases a lot of games which are just a waste of time? Cause there's sure a lot more than Sega has.

We'll see...