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Originally Posted by Vampyr
Scientists believe a gravitational singularity existed before the universe.
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And what created the gravitational singularity? Sure there may have been singularities, universes, or other things present prior to our current universe, but we still run into the same problem. No naturally occurring thing exists without a cause. At some point, there must be a first cause that existed prior to everything. This first cause must be transcendent.
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Originally Posted by Vampyr
How it happened is actually beside the point though. We are discussing your proof of god existing. Here is a wikipedia page that lists unsolved problems in physics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsolve...ems_in_physics
I'm a computer science person, so I actually know of an unsolved problem in computer science: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NP-complete Basically there is no way to tell if a certain type of problem (categorized as NP complete) can be solved quickly. There's a lot of prize money out there if someone can figure out a way to do it.
According to your line of thinking, though, we should give up now, because since science doesn't have an answer, there is no answer, and we must look to god for the answer.
Do you see how little since that makes? There are tons of unsolved problems. People are actively working on solving these problems, the same way scientists, engineers, and mathematicians have solved problems all through history. Many things that were once unsolved are now solved.
No scientist is saying they have the perfect answer to origins of the cosmos, or what came before it. They have hypothesis that they are working on proving. You, and every other religious person, have pulled a random solution out of thin air and said "This is it." - without proof. |
I never said there is no point to scientific inquiry. What is pointless is the assertion science has rendered belief in God obsolete. Since God created the universe, the only thing science can do is further reveal the magnificence of God's creation. We were made to question and understand the world in which we live (something that separates us from all other animals). This desire is good.
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Originally Posted by Vampyr
Well that's THE question, isn't it? That's basically the question of the absurd that I outlined earlier, with the three possible answers: suicide, religion, and rebellion.
You should read The Stranger. It's pretty short and it's written by the absurdist author and philosopher Albert Camus, and it's basically about murder and justice in an absurd world.
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I wouldn't say that that is THE question. I would agree that it's a key part of THE question though. THE question of course in my opinion is "where did we come from and what is our purpose?"
Obviously, I didn't read The Stranger in this short period of time. I'm a very slow reader. I did however look up a synopsis of the plot. Basically, from what I gather, Meursault has no emotion and is indifferent to world and his actions are irrational. Others find this difficult to relate to. In the end, in prison, Meursault realizes that the universe is also indifferent and irrational and this frees him from worrying about his upcoming execution since it ultimately does not matter whether he lives or dies. Correct?
Are you arguing that morality is a construction of society? Then why has man looked for meaning in his life throughout all of recorded history and likely long before as well? What purpose does this serve in a meaningless universe.
Let's assume that the universe was not created by God, has a natural origin, and is as a result, meaningless and indifferent to creation. If this is the case, then humanity is the random result of atoms randomly smashing together to create larger molecules eventually resulting in a planet capable of supporting life. Eventually, this process resulted in living organisms and through the process of evolution, we have humanity.
Where in this process is the evolutionary purpose for morality, good/evil, and the search for a higher purpose? None of these things provides an evolutionary advantage. Time wasted worrying about right and wrong and our purpose in life is energy uselessly devoted to tasks that do not increase our chances for survival. In fact, many would say that they impair our survival in some circumstances (for those that take option 1 in the absurdist belief structure). It would seem that evolution and survival of the fittest should have seen this as a worthless adaptation and stamped it out long ago. Yet, humanity still struggles with these questions after millennia.
Morality, the concept of good and evil, and the search for a higher purpose has no explanation in a universe without God.