[Professor S]

Originally Posted by TheGame

And thats exactly why the last elections turned out the way they did right?

I'll completely agree with you there, and thats because at that point he had lost the argument (and stopped caring, IMO). But in 2004 he won that argument and that was my point. Bush swayed the will of the American people, and that is what Obama has failed in doing.

I agree, but its hard for the american people not to support something that was justified with so many lies.

There is no proof, ZERO, that anyone lied. There is a ton of here-say and logical leaps based on truth that have no real connections, but no real evidence. Misinformed? Incorrect? Negligent, even? Sure. But the rest of the world was misinformed as well. To claim that Bush "lied" is an opinion with little to support it. I'll end my debate on Iraq there, as it's ludicrous to rehash it at this point.

Won handily? Last I checked a lot of people thought Kerry should have won with the whole fiasco in florida. Obama won by a much larger margin then Bush ever did.

You're wrong on two counts. 1) It was Ohio not Florida that was in contention in 2004 and 2) When Bush won in 2004 it was close in electoral votes, but at the time he won by the largest margin of actual votes in history. Obama did break that record, I believe.

In my opinion, Bush's policies won because Democrats are weak and bow their heads to republicans whenever they get a chance. They're even too weak to use the advantage they now have in Washignton.

I disagree completely. They aren't acting because they like their jobs and don't want to lose them.

Obama's policies are not being approved because republicans are not weak and will not bow their heads to a liberal. And because democrats are too weak to use the power they have now dispite republican's opinions on the matter.

This is the weakest the Republicans have been since Nixon. If the dems can't win now... maybe there are other reasons... like Americans think they have genuinely bad ideas...

What policies did Obama force through?

None. I never said he did. I was responding those who posted saying that he should.

How much has Obama really changed in the last 8 months? And as much as progressives don't agree of how he's handling things now, do you really think they'd sink low enough to vote for republicans? Why?

You really think progressives are the ones who got him elected? Progressives will generally vote for whoever is in a democrat suit, just as conservatives will generally vote for whoever is in a Republican suit. Its the center that wins elections.

Agreed, though I don't think its ideas that's hurting him. Its his lack of action that's hurting him worse with his base.

His base didn't get him elected, and his base isn't what has him in trouble now. What he's losing is the center, who voted for hope and change without really knowing what that meant, and now that they're seeing it in action, and argued terribly at that, they've retreated. If there was any kind of real leader on the Republican side, he'd be in even worse trouble.