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Originally Posted by TheGame

That depends on if they're satisfied with the state of their insurance. Unfortunately, this is a democracy, so the majority of the people will have a say in what tax dollars should be spent for and what it shouldn't. By people elecing Obama president they have voted for healthcare reform, by people allowing democrats to have so many seats in the house and senate they have voted for healthcare reform, and polls have shown that most people are for a public option for healthcare.

The United States is a republic, not a democracy. In a democracy your majority claim would be correct, not in a republic. See this distinction between republics and democracies:

Republic. That form of government in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whome those powers are specially delegated. [NOTE: The word "people" may be either plural or singular. In a republic the group only has advisory powers; the sovereign individual is free to reject the majority group-think. USA/exception: if 100% of a jury convicts, then the individual loses sovereignty and is subject to group-think as in a democracy.]

Democracy. That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens directly or indirectly through a system of representation, as distinguished from a monarchy, aristocracy, or oligarchy. [NOTE: In a pure democracy, 51% beats 49%. In other words, the minority has no rights. The minority only has those privileges granted by the dictatorship of the majority.]

I don't want to pay for a lot of programs that I will never use, but I dont' disagree with the process that got things to this point. I believe that healthcare is a right, not a luxury. And like any rights I feel that its moral for it to be protected by the law.

Healthcare being a right is your personal opinion, although it is currently not defined as a right by law. The question that arises form a belief that healthcare is a right is: where does that right begin and end? If someone is dying of terminal cancer is it their right to receive continuous and costly treatment to prolong their life by only a few months? If someone chooses to live an unhealthy lifestyle and take on extravagant risks, is it their right to receive continuous and costly care?

Because people who opt in would have to pay a set premium to get the insurance.

Correct, but if the plan were to cover all sorts of varying health risk exposures, then the premium would not be able to cover the aggregated expected loss of the risk pool. This is how insurance operates. As I said before, because this law of insurance would not hold in a public option, the option would not operate as an insurance company. Therefore, the option would have to derive money from an alternate source in addition to premiums, ie. taxing those who do not opt-in.

It is very possible. This is why I promote them going about it a different way other then making more adjustments to private healthcare itself. Making a public option sets a standard for them to try and reach, trying to manipulate private insurance directly can yield questionable results, and pin accountability for the failures of a private sector buisness on the government.

Government should support change, not enforce it on a private company.

I don't understand how a public option would be "going about it a different way" than medicare or medicaid, but I will concede this point, as I don't think it is especially pertinent.

I'll be perfectly honest with you, I don't understand this question as you have worded it. Are you asking me if private insurance companies are forced to raise their prices because there are people on medicaid and medicare?

I'm not asking you, I am telling you this is the case. Private health systems must bear the burden of sixty cents on every dollar of medicare and medicaid coverage of health consumers. Because these consumers do not pay anything into the private health system, the health system must raise the premiums on paying members to generate additional revenue. This is a fact. I have worked in a health system and know it to be true.

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It depends on perception. You feel like they're doing it to save the customers money, I feel like they handle it that way to turn a profit. Both things could be true for some private insurance companies. But before I give a full reply, lets go to the meat of your question:



They could do something that most private healthcare companies don't do these days.. and that's run the company with integrity, and with the health of their customers in mind. The pricing will be reasonable, but not made with profiting in mind. And when someone who is covered actually does get sick, they won't have to worry about the public option going over their health history to find an excuse to drop care.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-hUVzcOTMo

(I can't watch youtube at work, so I can't say for 100% sure if I linked the right video.)

As for the bottom line costs for the consumers, its very much possible that private insurance companies will be able to pull off comparable prices. There's even a possiility that the public option could turn out to be the expensive option (for the monthly premium anyway). But the point of the option is to not deny people based on the state of their health, and to actually take care of people when they do become sick. Which our current insurance companies do not specialize in.

As I have stated previously, risk pooling (which insurance is based upon) lowers the average premium of consumers by aggregating similar risk exposures. If insurance companies (risk pooling agents) did not lower said premiums, then no consumer would pay the premium. Rather, they would decide to not pool their risk exposure.

From your last few paragraphs, I am unclear as to how familiar you are with the concept of risk pooling and insurance? It is hard to have a proper discussion on the health insurance industry if you are no familiar with the key tenants that ground its operation.