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I didn't argue whether or not the war had broke out, I argued that they supplied the engines to Nazi germany, and they did even after they annexed Austria. Chamberlain knew quite well who they were dealing with and didn't care. It wasn't until Prime Minister's changed and England ended their nationalist policies that what you're talking about took place. Please don't attempt to revise history by quibbling over small points.
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Ok you are more or less correct. It seems they teach us differently in schools over here. The fact that the engines were already commissioned and paid for before then makes no odds I suppose.
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By the way, I'm not saying that America was any better, my point was that all of this is in the past, and it doesn't affect out current situation in the least. Long story short: Everyone you're angry with is DEAD and their kids are RETIRED or DEAD. Get over it and lets concentrate on reality. Searching back nearly 80 years ago for arguments only appeals to our emotional senses of vengeance and generational justice.
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My father is not retired or dead. And a generation as short as my grandfather ago is not a very long time at all. Concentrate on reality you say. I lived in Berlin 2 years ago and watched todays equivilent of the Nazi party growing in favour. Thats todays reality. We would be foolish not to learn from the mistakes of our history.
Anyway as I said in my origional post on this subject. I am going off on a tangent and this was not the point I wanted to discuss.
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LOL!! Really? Because to me it looks like financial advisors shat the bed quite recently. Argue facts, not your profession. Financial expertise is immaterial when the argument is there would be no wealth to redistrubute if we didn't have a strong military to support and protect it, and not only protect it nationally but internationally. Read The Case for Goliath to see how important that military spending is to the world, not just the US.
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No actually I pulled out because I saw the trade defecit coming in 2007. And I did not say we dont need an army to protect our interests. I said we dont need to spend so much money on it.
You want me to argue facts, do I really need to explain how Europe is directly affected by America and in turn China. It is a world trade circle. Made possible by, among many other factors. The petro chemical dollar, I trust you know what that is.
And heres another fact, before everything else, money makes the world go round so my profession puts me in a perfect place for this discussion.
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Does your financial expertise tell you all this as well? These are all old arguments that we've argued about relentlessly over the last 6 or more years, so I'll pass on beating a dead horse. You believe what you believe, and I believe what I believe. If there is nothing new to add except for stale platitudes like "he killed mah daddah!!", "blood for oil", etc. I think we can put this exchange to rest.
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Yes, good. And now we can get back to the whole point of my topic all the way back in my first post. Can you really justify this kind of spending on the military? We are talking about an exchange of money greater than that of the entire wealth of some countries.
When we go to war against another country it comes down to a few basic facts, what the military and government want us the public to believe, and what is actually going on.
Why are we in Afganistan? Opium, thats why! The backbone of the developed worlds medical and health treatments. The same drugs you get in paracetamol or asprin even morphine are all derived from one plant. Poppies, the same one they make heroine out of.
Why are we in Iraq. Oil. 25% of the worlds supply of it. Enough to keep the US and Europe's economy strong for the next 50 years.
The three most valuable commodities on the planet. G.O.D.
Gold - Oil and Drugs
EDIT - for the record. Yes this is what armies are for. But charity should start at home. England just printed 75 billion pounds in new banknotes. And there are still homeless people living in the streets in our country.