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Bond · 07-30-2008, 05:31 PM

Vampyr - I'm sorry you didn't like this discussion. I was going to reply to your reply, but if you're done with this thread, then I won't. I can't help but feel that you confused me with a right-wing-pro-life-wacko-nutjob, which, I assure you, I am not. The primary basis for my argument is the Constitution, not God's will. I would like to point out though that I do not support rape, am not anti-women, and never said that abortion is worse than the Holocaust.

KG - Here is my response to how to deal with legislation concerning abortion (assuming our agreements that we made last night):

First and foremost, I consider Roe v Wade unconstitutional. I believe abortion is a state, not a federal, issue. Therefore, I believe abortion should be decided state by state and the federal government should not legislate abortion. That being said, if I was a state legislator, this is the bill I would propose:

I would first state that life begins at the moment of conception. I would then cite Amendment XIV, Section 1 of the Constitution which states: "No State shall ... deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." I would then state that abortion is unconstitutional, when the mother's life is not threatened by the baby, given the agreement that: 1) life begins at conception and 2) the citation of Amendment XIV, Section 1 of the Constitution. This is an example of a government's fundamental responsibility to protect life, and to curtail violence.

I would then address situations where the mother's life is threatened by the baby. The government does not have a right to interfere in these situations. If the government were to decide one way or another (either against the mother, or against the child), the government is failing to protect the liberties of either the mother or the child, and is advocating violence.

Therefore, I believe the government should not interfere in situations in which the mother's life is threatened by the child. I believe it should be a decision between the mother, the father, and the doctor (ideally).

07-30-2008, 05:31 PM	#2
Bond Cheesehead Bond is offline Location: Midwest Now Playing: Posts: 9,314	Re: Legal or Illegal: Abortion? Vampyr - I'm sorry you didn't like this discussion. I was going to reply to your reply, but if you're done with this thread, then I won't. I can't help but feel that you confused me with a right-wing-pro-life-wacko-nutjob, which, I assure you, I am not. The primary basis for my argument is the Constitution, not God's will. I would like to point out though that I do not support rape, am not anti-women, and never said that abortion is worse than the Holocaust. KG - Here is my response to how to deal with legislation concerning abortion (assuming our agreements that we made last night): First and foremost, I consider Roe v Wade unconstitutional. I believe abortion is a state, not a federal, issue. Therefore, I believe abortion should be decided state by state and the federal government should not legislate abortion. That being said, if I was a state legislator, this is the bill I would propose: I would first state that life begins at the moment of conception. I would then cite Amendment XIV, Section 1 of the Constitution which states: "No State shall ... deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." I would then state that abortion is unconstitutional, when the mother's life is not threatened by the baby, given the agreement that: 1) life begins at conception and 2) the citation of Amendment XIV, Section 1 of the Constitution. This is an example of a government's fundamental responsibility to protect life, and to curtail violence. I would then address situations where the mother's life is threatened by the baby. The government does not have a right to interfere in these situations. If the government were to decide one way or another (either against the mother, or against the child), the government is failing to protect the liberties of either the mother or the child, and is advocating violence. Therefore, I believe the government should not interfere in situations in which the mother's life is threatened by the child. I believe it should be a decision between the mother, the father, and the doctor (ideally).