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Originally posted by DeathsHand
You get palestinians saying one thing and israelies saying another...
And I dunno.... I watch the news a lot but I still don't know 100% of what's going on for sure... but my dad and grandma seem to think Israel is at fault... and even my brother who seems to hate all arabs says like "Well apparently Israel is at fault"...
And I dunno the whole story about the land thing, but my dad mentioned it, and there were a couple people debating on MSNBC about things and the guy supporting Israel was talking about the whole Jenin thing and he was like "Well why did they make the refugee camp in Jenin anyways?" and the Palestinian supporter guy (and no, they weren't just a couple people they pulled off of the streets, and they weren't people from either side's government or anything) said something about how "The only reason they needed a refugee camp in the first place is because the Israelies pushed them all out of their homes" or something I dunno  the whole thing is a mess, and IMO neither side seems to want peace...
And I know stu said not to make it into a topic about the war, but I had to reply to that 
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No offense, Deathshand, but you don't exactly know what's going on.
The reason the Palestinians live in poverty has ABSOLUTLY nothing to do with Israel. It's 100% Yasser Arafat's fault.
The Palestinians Authority (their government) has received hundreds of millions of dollars from various places, including the U.S., the U.N., France, and even Israel (ie. in the Oslo accords in 1994).
Why does this money never make it to the Palestinians people? Because Yasser Arafat has stolen part of it for himself, and the rest he's spent on weapons to help kill more Israelis.
(ie. look at the Karine A incident, where he was caught trying to buy a ship full of weapons from Iran)
The main problems in the world's understanding of the issue are:
1.The palestinians are the weaker people, and people have the tendency to think that the stronger nation is always at fault, but in this case, it's the complete opposite.
2.Since these people are called Palestinians, and the land used to be called Palestine under the British Mandate, people believe that it's there land, but it in fact isn't. They only started calling themselves Palestinians after Israel had already become a country (1948), so people would believe it's their land, when it's not.
If you want, I have some great info on the history of Palestine that I can post, and I also have some great info on myths vs facts about the "Palestinians".
They're pretty long, so I'll only cut and past them here, at someone's request.