[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Seth

I read through that before, and since you posted it I went through it again. The explanations for the pentagon don't add up to me. The images of the structural and aesthetic damage don't reflect a 757. I have a hard time believing that wing structure dissolved upon impact without causing more lateral damage to the exterior. Doesn't add up. The punch out at the C ring interior happened without lateral damage? A carbon nose cone managed to penetrate all that space with the resulting damage? ay o

The fact is no one knows what would happen when a 757 collides with a building made to withstand a missile attack, like the Pentagon. In any other building there may have been lateral damage,m but we don't know as we have no real example for comparison. The facts are that debris from the plane was everywhere after the crash, in tiny little pieces, as shown in the photos provided in the link. To jump to the conclusion that is was a conspiracy from the US government is a bit, mad, I'm afraid.

K, you've probably looked at your share of 9/11 'conspiracy' footage.
http://911lies.org/full_size_911_pen...k_damage5.html
Check that site out just quick like and check the images out. To me, the official line isn't consistent with the visual evidence. Also, why haven't the traffic/surveillance cameras been made public? If their story is so legit than why keep that evidence from the general viewing? It would only further help their case right?...yeah yeah speculation but I stand by rational thought. They did 'it' with the Gulf of Tonkin...and track record means something.

A record that is almost 50 years old? Seriously? By that logic they might start beheading the Bourgeoisie again any day now...

And the reason I bring Russo up is because he was buddy buddy with Nick Rockefeller. Nick told Russo that a 9/11 event would happen 11 months prior to the incident. He also said that they'd use it as an excuse to invade Afghanistan to ensure pipelines from the caspian and later Iraq which forms a nice little allied circle around Iran. hmmm I guess Russo could be making a big public lie about it.

I wouldn't doubt it, as it sounds crazy enought to me, and coming from a guy who denies the 16th amendment it sounds just about right.

In the end though, 911 conspiracy theories fall apart with any logical questioning of them? Whhen you take the microscope away from the government, and put it on the theories, they are assinine?

1) If they were military planes, what happened to the real ones and everyone on board? I suppose they were able to reroute the planes, kill or silence any and all aircraft controllers who helped, create false cell phone logs for passengers on the plane and then kill all the passengers and destroy the planes leaving no evidence and then kill everyone who disassembled the planes, and then all the people who killed everyone killed themselves. Thats the only way word doesn't get out.

2) Osama Bin Laden, with a 20 year history of terrorism against the US crossing all presidential administrations in that time period, becomes an employee of the USA and joins in so that the US can have a good excuse to go into the Mid East and blow the shit out of his people.

3) And the US is able to cover everything up, the demolitions, the government planes, plant false evidence on a MASSIVE AND DETAILED SCALE... and this is the same government that can't figure out how to build a fence on the border or provide decent healthcare... Watch the Sout Park episode.

And, I have a huge problem with Catholicism. In fact, they held more than one mass at Bohemian Grove, which is something Alex Jones won't mention. The difference between BG and Catho is that the former practices fake human sacrifices to a Babylonian deity

Wrong, the deity you mention has nothing to do with the Cremation of Care, it was meant to symbolize knowledge. Just look up the Wiki on it. The god you are referring to, Moloch, had the head of a BULL and had nothing to do with Owls at all. It was literally the Golden Calf pictured in the Ten Commandments. I know where you got your information on this, and its a huge lie. Honestly, try and find opposing informatiuon for your views, because its easy to find info that debunks some these crazy theories.

The research and information regarding freemasonry, illuminism, and the connected circle of secret societies is treading on some potentially offensive grounds. The NWO movement is very real and when you study the ideologies of the plan it becomes concerning. "order out of chaos" - G.W.Bush

Order out of chaos was said by GW because it was on the dollar bill and the seal of the United States. It is a symbol of the Revolution, creating the new union out of the colonies.

http://altreligion.about.com/library.../aa111604a.htm

Illuminism was part of a small sect of of german masons in the late 18th century which quickly dissappeared. Any other belief in the illuminati owes more the popular historically inspired fiction than reality.

While I thank you for sharing your thoughts, I'm honestly worried about you, Seth. Your conspiratorial beliefs border on mental illness, IMO, and I don;t intend that as an insult but as a show of concern. Theories like your do nothing but create a sense of powerlessness; "no matter what I do sectret powers will keep me/us down". There is no way to dissuade you of these theories, because their nature is secret and insunuation has more basis than fact. Its become a religion. The farther the leap in logic, the more powerful the "truth" as everything is masterfully created by powerful men in dark robes. The simply expained debunking of these theories loses validity simply becasue they are not as complex and "puzzle like" as the theory.

If you look at any event in history, and say: "How does this show a shadow conspiracy", I guarantee you you'll be able to pull together a specious argument for it. Unfortunately the government is to blame for this paranoia, as Watergate and event slike the Gulf of Tonkin have made people question anything the government tried to do or says, regardless of directly condemning evidence.

I love stories like this in books and film, they are honestly compelling, but they are just stories and I would hope you would eventually get your feet on the ground again. I mean that with all sincerity and empathy.

And Dyflon, you know I'll win any paragraph battle on GT. Lets be honest