[Neo]

then I'll make this absolute statement of fact:

If you think that is a fact then you need lessons in quantum physics.

Since the level changing of electrons in many atoms defies all scientific laws that we know,

Electrons change levels in all atoms, not just many. And they defy no scientific laws. Please name a single law you think is being violated. I have a degree in physics so I at least think I know what I'm talking about, but I would definitely like to know in case I was asleep in class that day.

and those laws are considered hard facts and we base all of atomic theory on them, the fact that they defy those laws means that the atom doesn't exist.

Are you kidding me?

There are no atoms now. But wait, don't there have to be atoms? Then what are we touching? Well, who knows, but we do know since atoms don't make any sense anymore because of a minor contradiction. They don't exist anymore. We don't exist. I'm not writing this right now.

I never said religion doesn't exist. Of course it exists. It's ridiculous to say that a lack of understanding = nonexistence. And no that is not the same thing as saying God doesn't exist because we don't understand him. We don't understand God because it's completely illogical and unnecessary. And even though the exact mechanism of quantum leaping may not be completely understood, that doesn't mean it never will be understood. There are quantum physical theories dealing with this anyway. And science is NOT a faith. To say so means you don't understand how science works at all. Science is means of objectively gathering evidence and then generating models based on those theories. Religion is about blind adherence to an invisible man who lives in the sky for which there is absolutely zero evidence.

You need to do some research yourself before you start claiming things as absolute fact.

Science is also about repeatibility. If we get the same result over and over then we conclude that our current models seem to provide an accurate description of reality. We believe the results but that's not the same thing as faith. Faith is belief without rational thought or evidence. And even if a model is supported by evidence, that doesn't mean that I have 100% "faith" in it. There is always room for doubt. In religion there is no doubt. You either believe or you disbelieve.

Originally Posted by Professor S

I do not agree at all and honestly history doesn;t agree with you either. Look up the history of religions and morality and how they relate to one another. Look up how advanced man was before they were combined and advanced through religion. This idea that the morals that we hold dear today would exist without religion is a complete fabrication.

Man truly started to advance with onset of science. I may concede to you though that religion jump-started man's interest in morality. It definitely had an impact on our society. But I also believe we will outgrow it eventually.

Neo, you do not understand faith and its immense power for good as well as evil. All you see is evil because you've never cared to examine the good. Until you do, you will never understand religion or really understand why you are so angry at it.

I understand it quite well, thank you. Of course religion has done some good. A thing is rarely wholly good or bad. What is sad is that people feel they need this emotional crutch to be happy. The truth is they don't. It's a psychological prison from which man needs to escape before they will be truly free. I'm not being angry, though I sense much anger from you. Everything you said about me I could easily say about yourself.