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gekko · 06-18-2005, 11:04 AM

The reason the pro-military folks are against it is it brings in some horrible soldiers. Many will refuse to fight, and the military will have to resort to the methods they used in Vietnam, severe ass-beatings, in order to get them to comply with orders. They also are not dependable in battle, and no one knows how they will react when bullets fly by. It's hard to take a pacifist and make him into a warrior.

For the anti-war folks, they are selfish. They don't care about fighting for their country, and they don't care about bringing the troops home. You know the quickest way to get our troops home? Send replacements. We have guys going for a 3rd tour in a 4 year enlistment, and if they ever activate stop loss again, they could end up doing 4. But they are selfish, and would rather they dodge bullets time and time again than allow them to finally see their family and watch their child grow up.

As for the people out there right now, don't say they knew what they were getting into. You have no idea. What you know about the military going in, when you choose to sign the contract, is completely different from the military you experience just a few months into that 4 years. Now what choice do you have? None. They signed up for what their recruiter told them it was like, now they spend 4 years realizing they made a mistake. So don't think we volunteer for it because we love this stuff. Most people I've met, hate it.

As for the draft, the biggest problem is that the people we bring in don't get the proper training before being sent to war. I'm not sure how the Army works, but in the Marine Corps, the 3 month boot camp is all about teaching discipline, the 8 week infantry school teaches very basic skills. You learn everything else at your unit. It's not enough to send them to war immediately.

The draft would be better used to replace stateside jobs so those guys can deploy, because a lot of former infantry move on after 4 years, go do something else. Get them back, and put someone else in their jobs.

The thing most of you don't realize is that war isn't political. You guys sit around all day debating worthless politics, but the politics end when you leave this country. As soon as you're walking the streets of Fallujah, it no longer matters why we went to war, whether it was just or not, or whether the war is worth fighting. It's irrelevant. You take a look at the situation and know you're in a foreign country, you're fighting a war, at any second someone may try to kill you, and if you die you won't be coming home. Politics no longer matters, all that you worry about is survival.

06-18-2005, 11:04 AM	#17
gekko Knight gekko is offline Now Playing: Posts: 3,890	Re: The Draft The reason the pro-military folks are against it is it brings in some horrible soldiers. Many will refuse to fight, and the military will have to resort to the methods they used in Vietnam, severe ass-beatings, in order to get them to comply with orders. They also are not dependable in battle, and no one knows how they will react when bullets fly by. It's hard to take a pacifist and make him into a warrior. For the anti-war folks, they are selfish. They don't care about fighting for their country, and they don't care about bringing the troops home. You know the quickest way to get our troops home? Send replacements. We have guys going for a 3rd tour in a 4 year enlistment, and if they ever activate stop loss again, they could end up doing 4. But they are selfish, and would rather they dodge bullets time and time again than allow them to finally see their family and watch their child grow up. As for the people out there right now, don't say they knew what they were getting into. You have no idea. What you know about the military going in, when you choose to sign the contract, is completely different from the military you experience just a few months into that 4 years. Now what choice do you have? None. They signed up for what their recruiter told them it was like, now they spend 4 years realizing they made a mistake. So don't think we volunteer for it because we love this stuff. Most people I've met, hate it. As for the draft, the biggest problem is that the people we bring in don't get the proper training before being sent to war. I'm not sure how the Army works, but in the Marine Corps, the 3 month boot camp is all about teaching discipline, the 8 week infantry school teaches very basic skills. You learn everything else at your unit. It's not enough to send them to war immediately. The draft would be better used to replace stateside jobs so those guys can deploy, because a lot of former infantry move on after 4 years, go do something else. Get them back, and put someone else in their jobs. The thing most of you don't realize is that war isn't political. You guys sit around all day debating worthless politics, but the politics end when you leave this country. As soon as you're walking the streets of Fallujah, it no longer matters why we went to war, whether it was just or not, or whether the war is worth fighting. It's irrelevant. You take a look at the situation and know you're in a foreign country, you're fighting a war, at any second someone may try to kill you, and if you die you won't be coming home. Politics no longer matters, all that you worry about is survival.