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Originally Posted by ZebraRampage
Moral relativism isn't an excuse to do what you want, you idiot.
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Man, "your friend" is already building up tons of credibility points by insulting me from the beginning. He must be aces on the debate team.
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Most people who are moral relativist still live within the moral confines of the society in which they live. Just because they don't believe that society is ABSOLUTELY F*CKING RIGHT ALL THE TIME doesn't mean they're about to go on an armed assault through Center City. Generally, the people who are smart enough to realize that there's no PROOF that any set of morals is right or wrong are also smart enough to realize that their lives would be better if they just followed the morals of their society at their time.
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Um, did he actually READ MY POST? I remember saying that each taboo and societal value should be examined individually and those that have value should be maintained, and most have value, and the ones like homophobia should be repealed. Does that sound like I think "society is ABSOLUTELY F*CKING RIGHT ALL THE TIME"? I think not.
My problem with what I term as the Cult of Relativism is the use of relativism as a set of excuses and "get out of jail free" cards that give people rationalizations for unhealthy, if enjoyable, behavior. Now if "your friend" would like to debate me on my topic as I ACTUALLY PRESENTED IT, I would be more than happy to do so, but I do not appreciate him insulting me and then commenting on it without taking to time to understand my post.
I do have one major problem for his defence of relativism, though, and that is his assertion that most people view it like he does. For every person like "your friend" who sees relativism as a way to examine the human condition within common societal morals, there are 10 that use it to excuse immoral behavior. He claims it is the opposite, when just looking at the world around tells you that his claim is absurd. Little John released a song that detailed sweat dripping down his balls and then "skeet, skeet, skeet"ing all over his partner, and it has sold millions when it has all the artistic merit of a Penthouse letter. Gangster rap glorifying graphic violence and criminal behavior has been successful for years, while operating under the rationalization that these artists are "telling their story from the streets". Well we can now tell Dr. Dre and 50 Cent that after producing and performing on multi-platinum records that they are no longer in danger of getting shot or having to pull out their gat and pop a cap in someones ass while having 15 scantily clad booty shakers surrounding them.
"Artists" always claim that they are telling their story while whoring themselves to the media by painting pictures of the Virgin Mary with elephant dung or taking a picture of a man urinating into another man's mouth (these actually happened). They are not trying to create art, they are trying to get attention and cause a sensation... the same thing that the National Enquirer and Weekly World News do. Now the National Endowment for the Arts is dead because of such abuses and attempts at self-glorification.
For many years late-term abortions, named partial birth abortions, were legal because reletavists could not bring themselves to realize that while it is a woman's body, that body was also caring for a viable 8 month old infant.* To them, all that mattered was that the woman did not give borth so it was her her right to do what she wanted. How many children were euthanized because of this morbid ethos before it was finally abolished by a *shock* a moralist president? I wouldn't care to know, because I have a feeling it would put me in a state of dispair.
Now adherence to sensible morals would have kept such unhealthy things mentioned above from taking place, but they were ignored and explained away in a vast wave of rationalization by relativism to the point that they are tolerated and even accepted.
But the problem does not lie within the producers of this kind of trash, it is the public that tolerates and accepts it. The more that relativists can attack and degrade taboos that help us as a society, the farther and farther those that would profit from their efforts will go. The more that selfish people will harm themselves and others because they are lazy and/or shiftless. The more people will not be held responsible for their actions and will continue to feel that they are owed unlimited "do overs".
And so the envelop will foever be pushed, regardless of what will to society when it finally bursts.
*For the record I am not anti-abortion, but I also don't feel that infants should be aborted in the 3rd trimester. Wanted or unwanted, that is still a viable human life at that point of the pregnancy.