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Originally Posted by Seth
Your generalization of everyone who disagrees with Bush as collectively ignoring the advancements in the middle east can't be taken as anything but ignorance. Where are you taking this from?
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From observation. Look at the political threads on these threads and try to see ANY admission of success by Bush on ANYTHING by the GT leftists. We conservatives have agreed to mistakes made by him on many occassions.
Speaking of ignorance, I suspect from your posts that your main reason why you are against the war is because of the loss of life. Well lets crunch some numbers. There was a conversation held here a while back where it pointed out that in the first year of occupation, 11,000 Iraqi's died as the result of US involvement in the first year of occupation. Lets disregard that after analyzing the numbers given the vast majority of deaths occured with no US military involvement at all. Lets just give those numbers 100% validity. Hell, lets round it off to an even 15,000 the first year.
It is conservatively estimated that 1,500,000 Iraqis were killed in Iraq by Saddam's government through, torture, murder or the long land grab war with Iran during his 30 year tenure as "President for Life". Thats 50,000 Iraqis a year killed.
So, in this respect, the US's involvement has saved 35,000 lives a year, and that was just in the first and most violent year of occupation.
Now I don't want to hear an angry response to this. These are numbers and hard to refute. I just want to hear those that constantly belittle Bush's every move THAT THIS IS A GOOD THING. THATS IT. JUST ADMIT THAT 35,000 LESS PEOPLE DYING IS A GOOD THING WITHOUT ATTEMPTING TO QUALIFY IT OR RATIONALIZE WHY ITS STILL A BAD THING BECAUSE OF BLAHHBITY BLAH BLAH. JUST ADMIT IT.
I'll sit here and hold my breath.