[quiet mike]

ATI folowed the PCIe and made all of the R4** PCIe native and AGP native. Because of this production is very slow for both versions. Compared to them nVidia just made an AGP version for the 6800 series and made a bridge to PCIe, and then made native PCIe 6600 series with a AGP bridge. They just release yesterday the AGP bridged 6600GT. Look for it at BestBuy, CompUSA and other retail stores first, and maybe next week or in December at Newegg and the likes.