[Vampyr]

Originally Posted by rumpel

What do you think about Birth Control then? Abstinence, withdrawl, and condoms. You know the type, they teach that stuff in the Sex Ed (and on the street).

I do not consider that murder, and I dont even consider that to me in the same category as abortion. But before I start to explain why, I will explain my stance on fate:

I dont believe in it. I dont believe that God determined when we were born whether you would go to heaven or hell, because that would completely elliminate the purpose of a religion. But I do however believe that God KNEW if I was going to go to heaven or hell. That is two completely different things. Knowing something and causing it to happen is not the same. I know that if someone drops an egg off of the sears tower it will break, but it doesnt mean I caused it to break, the person who dropped it did.

Ok, now let me tell you why I dont think birth conrol or a condom is actually killing anyone: They are not united. Ejaculating in a female while using a condom isnt much different than masterbating and removing the sperm with a paper towel. The sperm didnt go anywhere, and no potential human was formed.

But what line separates an egg and sperm from its individual parts?

Any living organism is greater than the sum of it's parts, but if the sperm and egg do not combine, than there is no "human-to-be". If you refer to the post I made after yours, you'll see that I think abortion should be allowed before a certain point. I myself am not sure if I would call a simple embryo a human yet, but I WILL say that preventing a life is totally different from taking it. I can prevent a life by never having sex, but I can take it by killing someone or having my girlfriend/wife abort her baby. Just the same as I can prevent a life by using a condom.

.If you murder someone, and it's your will against God's, do you kill not just the person, but also the family tree?
.Is a miss-carriage God's abortion? What gives God the right?
.And if it is God's right... If someone is about to die from natural causes, and human will saves that person, is that also defiance against God's will?

.Of course you prevent the life off any offspring of that person, but god KNEW you would kill him, therefore the family tree never existed anyway. He never concieved the children of that person you killed, because they would never have any. He didnt make you kill him, and he didnt plan for that person to never have a child, he just KNEW that you would.

.God has his own reasons.

.No, because god knew before hand that humans would save them. God isnt working against you, trying to kill you. If he wanted someone dead, believe me, they would be dead. Human will cannot compete with God's will.