Ha... nice to see someone responded while I was gone.
I don't know how to take this commentary. A joke? Something serious? In any case, I have to deal with a lot of things in College and you replied while I couldn't respond (And I still have a pretty busy schedule just so you know). So, I'd say we're even)
Your post wasn't laid out very well, so I'm going to take it one topic at a time:
Sorry about that. I prefer to post inside quotes and go step by step -like you did- but since you had already done it with my post I didn't want it to get really messy.
1) What the topic is about and who started the "bitching"
"And to finish my "bitching" let me remind you what started your "bitching". One guy says he doesn't like the Conker's model and you go on saying he has hard feelings towards rare and is a fanboy."
Maybe you should take a second look at the begining of the thread... I wasn't swaying it off topic, others were. I called nobody a fanboy, and my first post to even look off topic came at the end of the second page where I was just saying what I had seen over time.
I know that, I quoted Bond the first time ( and you backed him up and got on his side 
). You think like him and if Bond hadn't implied his idea was biased you would have done it in his place because. At the very end it would not be the first time you do it. In other threads you are among the first to bring out the "Nintendo fanboys" argument. I could use that "I didn't refer to you directly, but at the same time I did." thing you said.
2) Rare and new surroundings
You underestimate how hard making a switch like that is.
Please elaborate.
Rare was loved in the N64 days but they were never a developer who could toss out high end games fast... period.
As for SFA, it's delays had nothing to do with Game quality, It was coming up on the end of the N64 generation and they decided to change it to gamecube... so all the work they put into it was ripped down and built back up on GCN. Then, after that, Nintendo decided to change the game to have a Nintendo licenced character in it... did they do this because it wouldn't sell without Star Fox on it, or because they were about to sell Rare and wanted to keep it exclusive? We'll never know... On top of that undenied Rumors of Rare being sold were circling around the net before Star Fox was even released. If Rare knew they were getting sold wouldn't they want to wrap up there last GCN projects? Thus rushing a game that was delayed out.
They still had one to two (impresive) game(s) out a year. Starfox was impressive in graphics but that was pretty much all. They had always managed to have something fresh. Conker was mainly about the jokes. JFG had you killing everybody until you could finally get to the next level and the hidden spaceships on the stages to get you to hidden stages and such. SFA felt like playing Zelda with part of the collecting of DK64 which wasn't what I was expecting.With all the extra time they had while they (suposing you're right) started out all the models and stuff they could have worked on the collecting issue, but it seems they didn't. I hope that gets you a clear view of why I was (in a certain way) let down.The game did feel like a Rare game, I never said it didn't. And actually, why would Star Fox make the game any worse/better? I was actually happy to see Star Fox in a new way.
Also, Rare didn't know who they were getting sold to, and had no reason to start to learn and perfect development on Xbox. Upon getting sold they had the option to port or rebuild games from the ground up, looking at the amount of time Kameo is taking I think they are rebuilding.
I don't see why they would have to rebuild it. There must be some things they can just port. Seeing all the ports there are, and the little difference there is in graphics... I don't think it would have been that huge of a problem.
Don't compare someone like factor 5 to Rare... Rare
never was one to just unload a ton of great games without long development cycles, and in there prime (on N64) they were slower than they had ever been. You are expecting them to adapt to a whole new company and hardware in less than 2 years when it took them more 2 years to make a game on hardware they understood and had masterd (N64)... yes, you are expecting too much. If Rare was getting games out fast they wouldn't be the same Rare they were on N64.
I know they were never ones to make games fast. But the N64 was considerably hard to work with. I remember Shigueru Miyamoto saying the GC was a whole lot easier to program for and then someone from MS claiming the Xbox was easier than the GC. I think that at least it should be around the level of the GC. And even then they still had at least one game out a year. I don't think it should take them THIS LONG to make a game. Suposing they had begun learning how to develop for the Xbox on 2002... why is it taking them more than two years for those games? PD; 2005. Conker; 2005. Kameo; 2005? GBG seems just like they're tryiing to say: Hey, we did something! " and excuse themself. It's not that it's taking its time, it's that it's taking WAAAAY TOO MUCH TIME even when I take into consideration they weren't that fast (but they weren't this slow either).
And Frankly, the money they were going to make for selling the game on the GC was the same they would have made in the Xbox (Except faster). I don't see how they would have rushed the game. In the very end this is all about the money and the game was the last one they'd see selling for some time (although I am unsure of how GBG did, but I haven't heard anything extraordinary about it). And it would have left them better expectations for the next game if they had made it better. They could have taken more time to finish it if that was the reason. They could since Nintendo had the deal with them before MS.
3) Nintendo/Rare comparision
"The difference between the Nintendo example and the rare example is that Nintendo takes a lot less time to develop games and they haven't really let me down on a game I was really anticipating (Unlike SFA). "
No, the difference is that you simply like Nintendo's games more than Rare's and Nintendo has yet to go through the same situation as Rare...
Golden Eye, Perfect Dark, JFG, Conker... Dang, you're so dead wrong here. I think I had express it here that I needed a fix of PD and that a friend of mine has taken my 64 away so I was angry. Just for comparisons I don't need (or will need) a fix of OOT in the near future. You assume too much (which is what this debate is all about.) I don't think Nintendo would take so long to get used to it's new sorroundings and/or wouldn't have a good game out by now on MS if they had been sold to them by the same time as Rare either. So, same case, different results.
"I am giving them a chance to redeem themself with PD (Had you read my last post closely you would have noticed) so I don't see why you are saying I'm not giving them a chance"
I wasn't refering directly to you when I said people aren't giving Rare a chance. But at the same time I am... Your wounds may run deep with Rare, but mine don't. SFA and GBG are games I'm turning a blind eye to because I didn't expect them to be good, I wasn't anticipating them, and those games in no way could have influenced my opinion on Rare.
Can't I be unhappy at the moment for their current condition? The thing is that you want me to be happy at the moment when their situation is worse (or bad for the first time IMO) than when they were on the 64. They were far more productive at that time and had games I actually enjoyed a lot. When Nintendo makes something you don't like you are one of the first people to point out how the situation isn't what you'd like it to be and how other companies are better. That's right, you don't think positive about how the other games might be better. You go on saying how things are at the moment. It doesn't mean they can't get better, it doesn't mean either that you are biased or have hard feelings or anything againts the company (right?). I think I deserve the same right.
You, on the other hand, were expecting SFA to somehow be better than previous Rare Adventure games? It's your fault for expecting too much. SFA still got decent scores, and from what I have played it felt just like a Rare game. Like Breakabone said, Rare is hit and miss with there adventure games... some people love (BanjoK, JFG, and Conker) and some people hate (BanjoT and DK). SFA was neither crap nor great, and I didn't expect anything more than what I got out of it.
I stated my reasons above. I was expecting something new in the game. Not necessary a whole complete concept, but at least a certain degree of new things in the game.
Expectations are the base of opinions,
I agree so in my opinion your expectations were way too high
What did you expect me to expect from them? Something not as good as what I had seen them make? Another DK was not something I expected. I mean, what exactly made you think SFA would be great? The second they put star fox on it I could tell there would be problems.
Yup, read up there!
4) Microsoft used as a scapegoat for Rare bashing
There was only one person in the forums I remember who used to bash Rare left and right, and that was gekko. But everybody hated gekko. There was no major foul talk about Rare here until they were sold to microsoft,
and that is a fact. I can see that as a lame excuse all you want, but everything points toward people looking down upon Rare more now that they are with MS.
Let me express it yet again. I think their situation is actually bad at the moment. I don't care if they're with MS or Sony or Nintendo or whatever, I've simply not had a reason to be happy about them in a long time. Not that I am not expecting their new games (Cuz I sure as heck will bye PD, Conker and most probably Cameo.) or have lost all my faith in the company. It's just that. And when I make a bad comment about Rare, I am not doing so because I feel bad (or "Wounded") I do it because I simply don't like what's going on. Can you quote me on ever saying something pesimist about them? The only thing I remember ever saying was that PD may be overshadowed by Halo and you were convinced by my reasons (Well, you never replied after listening to my reasons and I know you're not one to shut up
Like I said before, I prefer to wait until there flagship titles come out then bitch about them now like you are. I don't care if they lost 99.9% of there developers and if SFA and GBG were the worst two games released in gaming history, until they screw up Pefect Dark, I'm not judging them. But that's me, you can set your unreasonably high expectations wherever you want them.