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American forces losing control in Iraq
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/28/in...59&partner=AOL
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This was expected to happen, and the Bush administration has said as much. Violence was expected to increase before the Us election and then even more before the Iraq election. The NY Times attempting to use these already predicted events as an "october surprise" doesn't really surprise me at all.
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Hah, I read an article about some Dutch squad making sure the police is doing its job right.
The Iraqis said they liked the Dutch, but not the Americans and the Italians, because they pissed in their drinking water. Never piss in any drinking water. :mad: |
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If you would look at history you would realize this same scenario and series of events has happened before. It's difficult to transform a country from a dictatorship to a democracy. With time and determination it will work out in the end.
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But why ? *Laughs Manically* |
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Yep, rebel uprising in Iraq...
*pisses in water* Just kidding, but we all knew that it was going to get intense because these insurgents don't want Bush to stay in office. Maybe there's a reason to that, like maybe...they think Kerry is too weak and they hope that enough hardships in Iraq will get Kerry elected and us to immiedietely retreat... Just maybe... |
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Or maybe But no, the issue is of course very simple... Black and white, as are most political issues, especially ones as sensitive as those brought up during a time of war... Obviously if a war on terror is bad for the terrorists, it must be good for america! Kerry not 100% agree with war? Kerry bad! Kerry let terrorists win! I for one know that if terrorists wanted me personally to become president, I'd kill myself so it couldn't possibly happen... |
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Stop looking to the damn news media to see how well this war is being fought. For one, it's the NY Times, who tried to make it seem like we were losing the war and all going to get slughtered entering Baghdad. But more importantly, they don't have any clue what's going on.
The news gets to a big city and makes it seem like that's the only place getting hit, which is why Fallujah made the news, but Ramadi has generally been worse than Fallujah, it just never made the news. Ramadi is not getting any worse. The only reason we don't have control is that city is because of the gay-ass ROEs that are being put on us, by none other than politicians and anti-war activists. Trust me, ther's enough firepower in Ramadi to level the entire city in minutes, but we're not allowed to use it. We're only losing control because we're not allowed to fight. |
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Unless I misread....but i dont recall seeing any suggestions. Please indicate any other source other than the news media, where people can learn whats happening in Iraq. The sports media? The weather department? :p |
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There ain't nothing that woman don't know... |
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She dont know how to not stay out of jail for commiting insider trading. |
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War is never fun. War is never something that you go into joyfully. And the new wars are not truly 100% winable (in a conventional sense) because they are cultural more than they are governmental. What we are doing in Iraq is finishing the job that Richard the Lionheart should have finshed hundreds of years ago. This is a crusade, but not a religious one and not a cultural one. It is a crusade to pull the Middle East out of Medeival times. Why do we have a right to do that? Because he culture that their leaders have created has been to create hatred towards the West and inspire fanaticism to take attention away from themselves. They claim cultural imperialism (which is self-inflicted by their own people I might add) and call us the great Satan while their leaders absorb 99% of the wealth, build mansions and live like gods walking the earth while their people live in third world conditions. Yet they've convinced their people that we are at fault because we are "infidels". Now its come back to bite their leaders in the ass. This hatred that they've cultivated has gone too far by attacking us on our own soil and now their leaders have to deal with us and we aren't negotiating. We are attempting to create democracy in the Middle East and that scares their leaders more than any number of smart bombs or machine guns. Why? Because it means an end to their life of totalitarianism and Allah ordained priveledge. Why do you think even Saudi Arabia was very much against us going into Iraq, even when Iraq was their biggest threat and was right next door? Now I understand that many people aren't going to believe that this is a reason. They'll go as far as to say its all about the oil, which is rediculous for several reasons, the most obvious being the price of oil right now and the fact that we're the only advanced country in the world that does not purchase oil from Iran. But I can see how people would want to be against war, any type of war, especially when the goals are so new and untested. This isn't a guarantee and more than a handful of people died during it so I can see how people can become nervous. The fact is this has to be done. Flat out. The future of the world depends on it. In the next 10-15 years Western Europe will be over 50% muslim/islamic and if democracy is not imbued into their culture it will begin tearing apart ours. Its already started in Canada. In a province ( I think it was a province) in Canada there was a law put to vote that would allow muslims to be tried in a separate court according to the laws set by the Koran. This cannot happen and would only be the first of many changes if it were ever to go through. You may say that this is a pointless war with nothing but tragic, uneeded dead... I say this war could very well prevent a cultural world war in the next 50 years. |
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Very well said once again Strangler. I shall give you +rep. |
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We of course had no choice but to go after the terrorists after 9/11 but the war on Iraq is a total distraction from this. Bush said that we would make no distinction between the terrorists and the countries that harbour them. Well that's all good and well but the 9/11 commission showed there were no direct links between Saddam and Al Qaeda. Even if you believe they did have some communications that's a far cry from claiming they "harbour" terrorists. In my opinion we went after Saddam WAY too early and in doing so have over-extended ourselves and become less effective on both fronts. We should have hit the terrorists hard in Afghanistan instead of diverting resources to Iraq on questionable intelligence. Now we find ourselves in a huge mess. We don't have enough troops to properly secure both Iraq and Afghanistan and we are unable to keep the people safe, something they are undoubtedly aware of. Though what's done is done and arguing about what should have happened won't change that. We have no choice but to finish what Bush started. I just don't trust that he's the one to do it. |
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I feel that a point is being missed here. See, most people in here listen to the news saying that the war in Iraq is going horrible, but that is just not true. I think gekko is right on about this. It is all the dumb agenda minded politicians that are undermining efforts to win this war and then the media turns it around into stories about incompetance on Bush. The story of the supposed 380 tons of missing explosives at Al Qaqaa under the US watch, which turned out to be only 3 tons that went missing before we got there. Why doesn't the media show all the good things happening in the war? Do they want to turn everyone against the effort that is underway in the Middle East? Do they want the respect for the troops fighting and dying over there to dissapear? Why not, instead of talking about 3 tons of explosives that went missing, talk about the 400,000 tons of weapons, ordinance, munitions and explosives that have been captured/destroyed? Why not talk about the thousands of other ammo dumps that have been taken care of instead of one that could possibly have been looted? I can't understand how a group can try to undermine the war effort so badly. These terrorists over in the Middle East hate us not because we attacked them. They hate us because we are us. We represent everything they don't. I doubt that are actions are changing that fact, although I don't have any proof. They attacked us on 9/11 without us having invaded, they have attacked embassies, cruisers, and such without us having invaded, so why should we believe that not going after them would have satisfied them? |
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