Why not vote Bush?
 

The best part about liberalism is the fact that the media has the "less informed" community convinced they shouldn't vote for Bush, but they dont know why. Most say "I'll just vote for whoever is not Bush"

why?

"well, bush lies and the economy is bad"

we've had one of the best economies in 20 years, millions of jobs have just been created.

"well, he lied about the WMD"

kerry said we needed to go after Saddam and stop his WMD, so kerry thought the same thing, probably would have done the same thing if had to choose.

so, lets start with that basis, then choose who you'd vote for. dont vote kerry just because you dont like bush, that's not the way to do it. know your facts and make a smart choice. I personally will vote Bush because it's the last person the terrorists want to see in office.

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

I'm voting Kerry because I have never liked Bush. I couldn't vote in the 2000 election but I already knew if I could, Gore would've been my choice.

And in '04, now that I can vote, I'm going for Kerry because I can't stand Bush. He's running the country's debt deeper because we had to go after Sadaam using basically only our money. I'm not trying to say Sadaam is good or anything, but I hate the fact that Bush basically said "F*ck you UN, we're going alone" and then afterwards expects countries to just show their undying support to us.

I don't like people who think War is everything. Unless its of absolute importance, there's no need for it.

And if Kerry would've gone alone in the war, I wouldn't vote for him (I think what I've said above says enough)

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

It is true that the economy is good and that about 300,000 (not millions) jobs have been created under Bush's plans for economic recovery after the bottom fell out of the "Tech Bubble". The problem comes with a couple of areas: 1)The economy is not as good as it was under Clinton, which doesn't really mean anything since it was a false economy based on inflated stocks and had little to do with Clinton's presidency, but it is viewed that Bush ruined the economy since it dropped under his watch.

I will also agree that Bush has done a good job with creating better paying jobs, unlike what the democrats have been saying.

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=208

The real numbers say that under his administration the US has created better paying jobs and not just minimum wage ones, like Kerry has been saying.

It goes a lot deeper than that. The UN thought that he had them, Clinton thought that he had them and pretty much everyone thought that he had them. The argument about going to war was never about whther or not he had them, but how to go about enforcing the regulations and whether violence was the appropriate course. Why did no one doubt that he had them? In 1998 the UN found 10,000 pounds of chemical and biological weapons in Iraq, but they were not loaded into delivery systems so Iraq did not technically violate the UN regulations. The UN changed the regulations, Iraq shut down inspections by the UN, and then claimed that they destroyed the weapons without providing any proof. I could go on, but sufficed to say, Iraq had them and led the world to believe that still had them with the charade he led the UN down before the war. The question is, where are these weapons now if they're not in Iraq?

Believe it or not thats actually a string selling point for me. The fact that the terrorists want Kerry to win is more of a sign I should vote Bush than anything, but I still have my reservations about Bush:

1) Trampling of the 1st amendment. His abuse of Howard Stern is unconsionable (sp?). Its not only that he made up new standards for broadcasting without telling anyone, but that it seems like these standards are selectively enforced against those that speak out against him. This smacks of fascism.

2) Spending. Since when do Republicans spend like money is going out of style??? Good lord, the budget is enormous.

3) Education. No Child Left Behind is a lot like communism in that it sounds great on paper, but no one figured out the correct way to implement it without screwing up the schools completely. This isn't just against Bush, though, as it was a bipartisan bill, with the other big proponent being Ted Kennedy. Why anyone would pass anything that fat drunken murderer supports is beyond me.

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

Let's see...

Bush is an idiot, possibly legally retarded.

He lied about WMD, those like Kerry who agreed we should go after Saddam on the basis of WMD were being fed false information from the aforementioned idiot.

The conservatives want to control your personal life by imposing their own misguided notions of morality.

The voting fraud in Florida still pisses me off.

Bush ran several companies into the ground.

The only reason he got into a good school was because of his name.

Fahrenheit 9/11.

He ignored the ballistic missile treaty.

He lets corporations run free, allowing them to break or easily work around environmental laws.

The christian right.

He has imposed restrictions on the sharing of information within the scientific community, retarding progress.

His administration threatened to shelf certain scientific reports if they did not remove results which challenged policy.

He wasn't legitimately elected. Republican-controlled Florida supreme court ignored prior precedent in stopping the recount.

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

I like Kerry. Pretty much every non American in the entire world wants to see Kerry in the White House. That says something.

The rest of the world sees Bush differently than Americans. The reason we view him differently is because he actually scares us. He makes us nervous. As Americans are afraid of terror attacks, everyone else is nervous that he'll invade places or lead us into a world war. It isn't likely that he would but it's not impossible.

Things he's done to scare me:

1) Backed out of the ballistic missile treaty.
2) Flipped off the U.N.
3) Endorsed shoddy information as good work and then fed it to the public.
4) He has strong ties with the Saudi Royal family.
5) Declared a war on terror giving him the grounds to attack any country that has terrorists and possibly even some that don't. He could easily make up terror threats.
6) Once accused Canada of housing terrorists.
7) Tried to ban Michael Moore's book "Stupid White Men". You can't ban literature. That screams Nazi book burning to me.
8) Completely stomped on the first amendment.
9) Endorsed the Patriot Act which could potentially eliminate privacy, bringing America much closer to a world not unlike the one in the book "1984".
10) The fact that he's barely literate and runs the country with the biggest military in the entire world.

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

Oh yeah, and I'm not voting for Bush because he wants a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriages. That pisses me off like you wouldn't believe because this is seriously becoming the 1960's/70's all over again except with one variation. I'm not gay but I feel everyone is treated equal. It's said in the constitution we are but yet Republicans think they can ban it because its "immoral". Leave it to the states to decide.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but he's completely against abortion. I agree with the partial abortion ban but I don't want a full abortion ban. the first 3 months are fine becuase its the mother's child, NOT THE GOVERNMENTS CHILD.

And another reason. He doesn't want stem cell research. That pisses me off just as much as the same sex ban. Stem cell research is gonna bring promising things in the future but when you have an asshole who wants to block research that could one day lead to a cure for many diseases/forms of cancer, thats when I draw the line.

And I also agree that the Patriot Act is making the US look more and more like 1984. Bush took advantage of 9/11 by rushing this bill through congress within months after 9/11 which at that time all but one (black female I believe..can't remember name) voted for it without even reading the bill completely (thats my opinion but its basically true). If they took the time to read it, they would've said no to quite a few things in it but back then they were brainwashed, IMO.

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

Neo, I think if you tried a little harder you could come up with even more simplistic arguments against Bush. Better luck next time.

We love to generalize, don't we?

That I can see and its a valid point, even if a little paranoid.

I don't know the details of this, I'll look it up though.

And rightfully so. The UN is still under investigation for abuse of the Iraqi oil for food program and IMO is basically an organization of former world powers that has abused its position over the last 15 years to keep influence (and profits) and has used America as its 800 pound gorilla for too long.

Hindsight is 20/20. See my arguments in my first post.

Which has had absolutely no proven affect on his administration beyond the misleading ramblings of Michael Moore. He went against the Saudi's in going into Iraq and the whole "flights out of the country" thing has already been debunked by every major news source in the world.

This is true, but yet again very far fetched. I do not agree with Bush's seeming abuse of the terror alert system to take attention away from democratic poltical news, but I don't see any evidence of Bush going into any country he sees fit without reason, and yes there was plenty of reason to go into Iraq and Afghanistan.

I doubt he accused the Canadian government of openly harboring terrorists. Having terrorists living on your soil and having a government supporting them are two different things. If you believe Bush openly accused the government of Canada of housing terrorists, please provide a link.

I am the last one to agree with Bush's policies regarding the first amedment, but I have heard nothing of this, please provide a link.

I agree completely and thats enough grounds not to vote for him.

I find the left's attack of the Patriot Act to be very humorous. It does not give the government to right to just violate peoples rights and search whatever they like. They still need just cause and/or and warrant, just like before the Patriot Act.

Ha ha ha... :rolleyes: That argument has no validity and gets less funny the 10,000th time I've heard it. Find a new joke that doesn't take credibility away from your argument by dipping into sophmoric humor.

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

Neo and Dylflon pretty much summed up my views.

How can people reelect Bush after what he did in Florida? I can't believe it.

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

Yes, the Patriot Act's attack by people is so humourous that over 200 cities (correct me if I'm wrong but thats what I remembered from the last time I head) have banned it from being used in their city

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

I dont think he (Bush) was even legally elected, wasnt he appointed?


Like Dylflon, Bush scares me too, his "Were America, so we can do what we want" attitude is a little threatening.

I will look for a link to it, but i remember him accusing Canada of housing terrorists.

He said he wouldnt raise minimum wage in the US. Ever. He opposes it. Kerry on the other hand said by the year 2007 ( i think) minimum wage will be somewhere around $8.

Plus he tries to change our laws. Back when Cretien was PM, he was ( as the media said) trying to "influence" more American law changes. I dont exactly know what the things he was trying to change are though.

Bush just does seem a little too stupid to be president, either he will lead the world to a world war, or he will end up invadeing a country that has no right to be invaded, thus, also leading to a world war.

And wait, who has all the WMD? America does. Why not disarm them, im more scared of the American WMD than the middle east WMD. Because i know if it comes down to it, Bush would use them.

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

I dislike Bush greatly. Why keep him in office? He hasnt really dont anything good while hes been here, its just been bad times all around. The war in Iraq was a mistake, gas prices suck, and Bush speaks better spanish than he does english. Why not give someone else a shot? Nuff said, IMO.

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

Yeah. It does seem that most non americans aren't pro bush though.


I found something for you on the ballistic missile treaty.

http://www.missilethreat.com/news/20011213095800.html

The website has everything you'd want to know about the treaty and other missile related things.


And about the Saudis, my problem with it is that the Saudi Royals are even more shady than Saddam and have killed many of their own people and nobody is even trying to do anything about it. I'll look for sources later.



And as for the U.S. accusing Canada of harbouring terrorists, here's a link. I can't find the better one so this will have to do for now.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040215.wterr0215/BNStory/National/

Can't find the Moore link. I'll look again later.

And as for the joke, I hear it's always good to end with a joke :p .

But you must admit, he isn't the brightest crayon in the box.

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

He went to Yale and Harvard.
They were being fed incorrect intelligence from the CIA.
Is that why conservatives favor smaller government and liberals favor larger government?
The Supreme Court decided that, you can go complain to them.
Which?
That's part of the reason, but that's the same for any wealthy family.
Is filled of distorted facts.
Has he fired any ballistic missiles? And would terrorists agree to the ballistic missile treaty?
Do you have any examples of the environment being harmed?
Is as worse as the liberal left.
Which?
Which?
Would you like to challenge our legal system?

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Maybe this forum was a bad idea...

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

No, this forum isnt a bad Idea. This debate is good, makes for good discussion, just because your in the minority Bond doesnt mean this board wasnt a good idea.

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

I'm not in the minority, this is a 50/50 country.

Although this board is extremely liberal, you are getting a skewed view of average politics.

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

I know how it feels to be in a Minority when everyone calls me a Ninty fanboy over the stupidest little comments. At least for once I'm in what seems to be a majority but both sides giving their opinion is good. Makes for interesting debates

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

Are you comparing your president to terrorists to gain leverage in an argument?

And this isnt a bad idea for a forum.
And Bond, Jason meant your in the minority on this forum, nobody really backs Bush here.

And about it being a 50/50 country i find that laughable.

The only thing that makes this board Liberal is that ther are Liberal people here. There are Republicans here too, so isnt it also a Republican board? No. Why? Because your outnumbered? Oh, so you are in the minority then.

:p

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

Possibly.
I've noticed.
Talk to Stonecutter about it.
What?

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

Things I do like about Bush's politics over Kerry's - his anti-immigration, increased border patrol policies - opposes gay adoptions - mostly anti-affirmative action - patriot act.

If you go to http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/spe...ues/index.html you can find a brief run-down of Bush and Kerry's stances on various issues.

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

After looking at how bush and kerry view different topics, its even more apparent why I like Kerry better.

Especailly in 2 key topics: Abortion and Guns

Kerry is pro abortion, and anti-guns, and so am I.

Also, Kerry wants to repeal the tax cuts that were given to the wealthy. Thats A ok in my book.

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

What's the problem with gay people adopting children?

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

aren't most people on this board canadian?

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

Nah. Not even half.

Just me, Dyne, Typhoid, Fox 6, Deejzguy, Happydude, Bouncer, Darkmaster, Crono, Joeiss, Perfect Stu and Gimpy.

Did I miss anyone?

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

You missed all of the invisible people on this board that nobody ever sees, which gives Canada the majority.

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

There are invisable people here!?!?!?


*wets pants*





*Runs away*

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

You need to be shot.

As for the whole WMD thing, was it exaggerated? Yes. Did it need to be? Yes, because Americans are so ****ing dense. False intel was a result of pulling CIA agents out of the middle east in 1994. Wait a second, who was in office in 2004? Was that fellow Democrat Bill Clinton? Thank him.

Personally, I wouldn't vote for Bush, but even you liberals haven't named any of the good reasons not to vote for him. But since there's not a better candidate than Bush, I will vote for him. The last thing I would do is try to ruin a country by voting for an anti-military **** during a time when the country is fighting a war on two fronts, and facing increased security threats. Voting for Kerry just because he's not Bush is just ****ing stupid. Vote for the better candidate, and Kerry is a dumb ****.

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

I named my reasons. I guess people overlook my replies

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

Gekko, i was under the impression that acording to CNN and all the other "credible" news sources that the war was over, so i doubt a war is still being fought.


And Gekko, why should Jason be shot?

Because hes pro-abortion and anti-guns?

Thats a good reason to shoot somebody.

Well, Gekko ae you anti-abortion and pro-guns?

Man, you should be shot.

And of course you only quoted half of what he said.

He also said hes voting for Kerry because he wants to repeal the tax cuts that were given to the wealthy.

He never said he was voting for him because he wasnt Bush.

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

Comments like that only fuel the desire for anti-gun laws. :rolleyes:

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

As long as we're talking about shooting people, there's a guy by the name of Ralph Nader who could use a good slug embedded in the brain.

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

Agreed. He pulls votes away from the democratic candidate.

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

You quoted 1/13th of what I said in a previous post. Not that I care, but it's not something to bring up in an argument.

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

You doubt it? Maybe you should ask the casualties.

Because he's anti-guns, and an anti-gun guy getting shot would be hilarious. It's like when Ghandi got shot, that was awesome.

I could care less about abortion, and guns are awesome.

Only the first line of the reply was directed at him. The rest were just general comments.

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

Gekko, you frighten me.

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

I think I like this Strangler guy.

And yes, I drive on the right side of the road.

It almost sounds as if you're passing Democrats off as stupid... That the type of person who would vote for Nader would vote for Kerry. I would feel uneasy if Nader-voters decided my President by voting for Kerry if Nader didn't run.

Then again, Nader voters who would also vote for Kerry are just the "don't vote Bush" people... who I also wouldn't want to decide my president, as they are far too influenced by a force similar to Peer Pressure.

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

Hmmm.

I swear, if I had a dollar for every time I saw the same few people argue back and forth, I'd be a millionaire by now.

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

If i had a dollar for every time ive heard an analogy similar to that, i would be a millionaire by now.


Oh....wait...I already am. :p



And the same people argue, because all the arguments are basically the same, except worded differently.

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

I'm going to piss on your car's windshield if I'm ever in your area. Rich dick:)

what's your address?

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

hahahaha. He doesn't have a car. lol

Re: Why not vote Bush?
 

I agree whole heartedly anyone who is willing to put a country in peril by decreasing the people that keep it free in my book is a complete and utter Idiot. I'm a republican by trade and bush didn't do that bad from what he recieved from the clinton administration. So if you vote kerry you're voting for osama himself.





{Edit} Hey if your going to -rep me for my opinion.. Atleast have the balls to put your name and a rebuttle ... Asinine doesn't cut it as a good enough rebuttle for me..