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there is probably a thread already like this, but i wanted to know your peoples views on America and their fondness of war..... (n/o)

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blowing things up is cool.

edit: :rolls eyes: for all you know m... you thought I was serious???

Dude, I'm a just war theorest.... and there is no justification for WMD's -Kit85

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A lot of people like that.


Someone said they like guns.
I like .

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:wtf:

You better not be talking about other people.....like Iraq and whatnot.... And i just want to add that George Bush didnt find any WMD because he was looking in the wrong place...He should start with the United States and work his way from there. What makes it right for the U.S. to have nukes and stuff, but when other country's have them they are ...as he put it..." A threat to America"....heaven forbid blowing up the planet, america might suffer!!!

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We currently have flame wars going on in a thread on racism and theology. Lets keep it to two.

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By "we" do you mean you and me?That sounds good to me.

I have power over you. -Bond

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Were not fond of war....we just have a surplus population :p

one of my freinds was explaing how china fights there wars. they just throw there soldiers out on the front lines and hope they lose a few because they have too many. (and before you say hes racist hes from china)

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But china doesnt go attacking other countrys to make a statement. George Bush sr. faught Saddam, so George "dubbya" Bush had to take up the sibling rivalry in my view. Im just sick of the militarism of the said country.

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Watch it Typhoid. People will try to smash you good. They tried to smash me good. Although, I have studied a lot on the subject. So now if I ever got in another argument about it I'd be okay. Study up so you can support your argument.

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What?

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Going to War without support from other countries defeats the whole purpose. I personally wish we never went into Iraq in the first place. When Bush keeps repeating "He was a bad bad man and we just had to go in there and take him out" (not exact words but you get the point). Bush is running us into a much deeper deficit that will take a very long time to recover. Historians will look back at this time as one in which bad decisions were made.

I personally feel that going to war without justifying a good reason just so he can try to regain popularity, etc...just sickens me. If Bush's stupid ass would've waited for support from the UN, we wouldnt be in such a horrible situation with money being wasted everyday and our own troops being forced to stay longer then what they were said. Hell, I just heard the other day that some troops were within hours of boarding a flight home then they were told they were staying longer. Just sad.

I see the future of the US as a country who wants to spy on us, steal our privacy, and give useless excuses like "But we need to be more secure". Then while at it, launch wars against countries because we feel we have so much money to just throw around. Anyone care to disagree the fact that the US is basically becoming Big Brother to everything we do?

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Im not saying everyone supports the army or anything, i didnt try to offend anyone, i meant that MOST americans take great pride in the fact that they have such a powerful military...im not saying anyone here is though...so sorry bout that.

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Thank god, Jonbo. An American who agrees with me about the Big Brotehr thing.

My problem with the Iraq war is it has nothing to do with the WTC. Why bother going there? All you're doing is killing civilians.

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I didn't say "What?" because I was offended, I just didn't understand what you were saying. Thank you for clarifying your viewpoint. Although as you have already pointed out the United States is not a country that would be associated with militarism. The military is not of primary importance to our state. We spend 3.2% of our GDP on our military. Where as North Korea spends 33.9% of their GDP on military. So you could call North Korea a militarist state, but not the United States.

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Just pray the democrats get back into office next term.

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Hooray for democracy.

I thought someone was going to rip Typhoid a new anus, but so far no flaming.

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Is it me, or do strong democrats come off as being close to socialists? They always seem to want to benefit the elderly, and the poor...I think. I'm not exactly sure on this..because I can't remember. Ah screw it, I hate debating politics because I'm so bad at it.

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Democracy is the way to go. Too bad that the Republicans had to "win" the American election

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War is good. Kill everyone thats not like us. That will solve all our problems.

Is that what you wanted to hear so you could spout off more with your anti-american babble? This topic has been beaten to death over and over and over again, and I will not waste everyone's time by repeating the arguments as to why the war was justified. If you didn't listen the first 10 times, why would I think you would listen now?

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Who really cares if he can support it or not, hes right either way. Blab on Thyphoid.

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Oh, so you should just support an ignorant opinion whether or not it has any basis in fact, as long as it supports your beliefs. Hooray for liberalism.

IGNORAMUS's AHOY!!!

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First off, Typhoid is new here so he missed this argument the first 10 times.

Also, most people who oppose the war base their views on "how many civilians are being needlessly killed?"

In this war, many civilians are being needlessly killed. Most people respond to this by saying things like "They're casualties of war" or "because they were fighting back."

Casualties of war is bull****. Go on the internet on sites like the English Al Jazeera news site. Look for some of the war videos out there that they won't show on TV because it makes america look bad. A while ago on CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) they showed unedited videos from the war that were not allowed to be shown on CNN (like most of the footage from the war). I saw some very diturbing footage. On the internet I also found some very disturbing footage. One particularily disturbing piece of footage was an entire family being killed for not cooperating with the soldiers. The most disturbing piece of footage I saw was an American soldier talking about how "awesome" it was to kill Iraqis. I'll paraphrase it for you.

Everyone just opens fire on him. Then he's dead and you're like "Oh man, that was awesome. Let's do that again."

Too many people are being killed there.

the other argument was that the Iraqi civilians weren't cooperating. Of courrse they aren't cooperating. If America was being taken over by anotehr country and being occupied, Americans would fight back.

There was a study conducted recently (I'll try to see if there's a link to it on the internet) stating that in every family (immediate family, grandparents, grandchildren, first cousins, aunts, uncles, nieces nephews) at least one person has been killed.

Killing their family members isn't the best way to make them not hate you.

I won't stop opposing the war until Iraqi civilians stop being killed.

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I agree on the whole Iraqi's not cooperating. If we were being invaded and the opposing country gained control of the US, would WE cooperate? Hell f*cking no. Iraqi's are feeling the same way. Not all of them see us as a "savior who has come to free from evil". Some see it as a takeover and they dont take it lightly.

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Considering America has bombed them so many times, Americans aren't all that respected in Iraq.

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Yeah, but you have and I refuse to continually repeat myself to people who refuse to listen.

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Oh, I know. I've heard your excuses. You can say all you want supporting the war. You can wave giant signs and dance on top of a roof with a megaphone and let all around hear your excuses why this war is justified. Say them all you want. But most will still disagree with you. Any argument I've heard supporting the war is full of holes. If it's a just cause then I'll accept that innocent people will die. But this is crap. The biggest argument is that Saddam was a tyrant. Yes, he killed his own people. But America has killed many times more Iraqis than he has over the last 15 years. You could have captured him without shooting civilians I'm sure.

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generally all young people are democrats

generally as you get older, you become republican

no i dont think we are doing much good in iraq, but if you guys think you know more than do the CIA you've got another thing coming. they went to iraq for a reason. and that reason was to get bush re-elected, and it's going to work.

**points and laughs at all you that can't vote**


iraq is a worthless country i hate it..bomb away boys

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That is a rather sweeping generalization. Who does "they" refer to?"That input matched my default category" reason was to get bush re-elected and it is going to work ?
I get That input matched my default category.I think **points and laughs at all you that can not vote**iraq is more than that.
Are you a man or a woman?

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hey, you're twin brother is over in iraq right now, you can kiss my butt camfubot! :D

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/me can vote and certainly will be:D

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I've noticed the opposite...

I'm neither a Democrat or a Replublican, but I am a bush supporter, and lately have not been on the democrat's side on very many issues.

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I agree with The Game, that used to be true more... I know a lot of younger conservatives and many older liberals, and v.v. It seems now much more based on conditioning then on age.

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I find this funny considering the number of times I have torn your anti-iraqi war arguments to shreds. My reasons are not excuses, but are based on actual facts and events that took place in the last 15 years. You're reasons are mainly based on propoganda and simple mined theories such as "war is bad".

Like I said, I won't repost what I've posted numerous times before, but its come to the point where I don't feel the need to even defend myself to you.

But just as a reminder...

http://www.gametavern.net/forums/sho...highlight=Iraq

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In all fairness I have studied up on the subject a good deal in the last while. I do admit I was rather ignorant to it back then. I'm a little more knowledgable now. But if you don't want to get back into it, that's fine by me.

BTW, don't point the propeganda finger at me. Many people find your "facts" and information to be propeganda too. It's a matter of what you believe to be lies.

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Dylflon, is there any war you have supported?

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World War II. I support the need to fight powers that threaten to take over the world.

Most other wars have been pretty stupid and have turned out to be just a huge waste of lives.

I don't look at war in terms of, "that should be done, let's send some people to die over it"

No lives should ever be wasted unless there is a VERY just cause. Human life is too precious to be wasted.

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I don't think of dying to protect my country as a wasted life, as long as your death was for the good of man kind and means somthing It's a worthwile death. I believe being the most powerful country in the world we should be proactive instead of reactive... prevent problems, don't wait for them.

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This is directed at you The Strangler. Notice I have not once in this entire thread argued with America's motives for going to war. Not only that but none of my statements have been Anti-American. My moral opposition to this war stems from the amount of people that are dying because of it.

Yet you want to yell at me for this. For believing that innocent people shouldn't die. Go ahead and "tear my argument to shreds". I'm sorry if I don't believe sacrificing people's lives is a way to solve a problem. I don't understand how you can manage to argue with me about what I'm saying (which so far has only been about casualties) unless you believe that human life is expendable and should be wasted on such trivial matters.

And what you're arguing with is my opinion. And I'd like to make sure you know that I'm entitled to having one. But just in case this idea of an opinion is hard for you to grasp, I'll break it down for you by using the dictionary definition.

A view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter

Your manner of arguing is rather juvenile in my opinion. This is how your arguments go:

You're an idiot and what you believe is untrue and/or propeganda.

I have not called you wrong but have only stated what I believe.

Continue to attack me for being against war if you wish. I will not change my mind. Most of these wars shouldn't be fought. And young men and women shouldn't be sent to die over these disputes.

If ever there's a day when I pick up a gun and fight, there will be a damn good reason I'm doing it.

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I dont support any war at all. Except WWII because something had to be done there. Im not fueled by propaganda, im Canadian, and i dont have a large standpoint on liking war.

I dont know why war exists, i dont know why war is carried out in the manor it is, and i dont know why the United States likes to bully around other countries to get its way, and if the country in question doesnt comply, they say " this country is a threat to our nation"

...I say within 10 years, the U.S. will start a war over Canada, because we wont give free softwood. War kills many, and Produces nothing.

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Fine, you want it, you got it...

I didn't say your post was anti-american, I said Typhoids was in the first post. Thats what my first post was directed towards.

LOL! Not only can I put together pretty much a air tight argument about this, but I'll repeat it yet again as I've repeated it before:

Saddam Hussein killed an estimated 1.5 million of his own people. To date, or at least the last time I checked, over 400,000 bodies have been found in mass graves in Iraq. That was a couple of months ago, though, so I'm sure that number has increased. You ramble on about how many lives have been lost "needlessly" because of this war, when all I can see are the tens of thousands of lives that have been saved. Now maybe you can imagine how I can argue with you about this.

I don't argue with your right to have an opinion, but I would rather see your opinions be a little more well read and even handed. You claim to be more informed about the subject that you are expounding upon, but I have yet to see evidence of this. It looks more like you have spent time looking up the opinions of like minded individuals that will support your opinion regardless of their veracity.

And I believe you shouldn't constantly voice an opinion that is not educated to the subject, and I will continue to voice MY opinion about that.

As for opinions actually based on FACT, please see my long post about WMD here:

http://www.gametavern.net/forums/sho...highlight=iraq

I really don't feel like typing it again.

The perfect example of why I shouldn't even bother arguing with you about this in the first place. A closed mind is pointless to converse with.

How very Politically Correct. I happen to think saving thousands of lives, freeing millions of people, and helping to protect out own country in the process is a damn good reason. I'd like to hear what you think a good reason would be.