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Crash 01-28-2004 05:27 AM

The Passion of Jesus Christ
 
This is going to be a thread about the upcoming movie: the passion of jesus christ. THis is the one that mel gibson is directing and has been getting so much flack for. I totally and completely want to see this movie. About 3 years ago I had a dream about how graphic the end of Jesus' life was, how they beat him and really humiliated him. (I dreamed this after watching jesus christ superstar) I am amazed to see that a movie was made that is almost identical to my dream - kinda creepy actually.

So what are your thoughts on it so far, it comes out Feb 24th I think.

here is the trailer for it if you haven't seen it.

http://www.thepassionofthechrist.com...rs/w_high.html

here is the much more graphic (but better) trailer:

http://members.shaw.ca/chuglet/the-passion.mov

Rndm_Perfection 01-28-2004 07:40 AM

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Mel Gibson's good, and he'll most definately do a good job directing the emotions. As long as the movie has good scripting, it should be more than epic.

Professor S 01-28-2004 08:42 AM

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There is a lot of flack about this movie because of how violent it is and how it portrays Christ, but as far as I know it follows the Bible... so I'm not sure what everyone is getting all upset about.

What were you expecting? Christ to jump of the cross at the end of the movie and mow down Pilot with an AK-47 and then do a little soft shoe?

Jonbo298 01-28-2004 08:58 AM

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Yeah, people are temperamental to this because its depicted the way it should be. The day before the movie comes out, I want to see some debates on the movie. I might see it just to see how good it is. I'm not as interested in the movie itself, just want to see it since its gonna stir up quite some controversy:D

Canyarion 01-28-2004 09:05 AM

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Hm.... What's this movie MORE about? I mean, what IS the passion??

Just graphics is boring.

The Duggler 01-28-2004 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by The Strangler
so I'm not sure what everyone is getting all upset about.

Isn't there that whole thing about the movie making the jews look bad or something?

Canyarion 01-28-2004 09:47 AM

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Well, the jews WERE kinda bad because they rejected the Messiah. They WERE the people of God, but they didn't accept their new king...

Dunno what the movie tells about them though..

rottwylor 01-28-2004 09:58 AM

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I would rather go see Alien Vs. Predator....

Joeiss 01-28-2004 10:22 AM

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I cannot wait for this movie.


john 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[1] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.[2] 19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."

Dark Samurai 01-28-2004 10:58 AM

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the movie looks pretty freaky....

and i like freaky movies

so i'll see it

The Germanator 01-28-2004 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by rottwylor
I would rather go see Alien Vs. Predator....

Ditto...I have no reason to see this Passion of Jesus Christ movie, I can already tell by the trailer that it's not the type of movie I'd wanna see.

DimHalo 01-28-2004 11:38 AM

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I really want to see it. For many reasons, I love Jesus, Mel Gibson is good, and the Bible will be interesting to see on film (assuming they've done a good job at following it, which i hear they have).

However, financially it may be a problem. We'll see

Happydude 01-28-2004 11:52 AM

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meh...i'll wait for it to come out on DVD

Professor S 01-28-2004 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitram
Isn't there that whole thing about the movie making the jews look bad or something?

Well if people were going to get upset about the movie then they should condemn the Bible as well. In the Bible it is Jews that betray him to his death. But you also have to realize that up to that point there were no Christians, only Jews and those that followed the old Roman religions. So while Jews did betray him, it was the Romans who persecuted and killed him.

You can't re-write the Bible for political correctness, so why should the movie about his life according to the Bible be re-written?

And for the record, I'm not Christian and I don't hold anything against Jews, in fact I'm one of Israel's biggest supporters.

The Bible is what it is, and so should the movie. As the Pope said: "It is as it was."

TheGame 01-28-2004 12:42 PM

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+Rep Strangler

I think the movie should be interesting... I don't normally see any movies on the big screen unless it's a sequal to a movie I love. I don't know if I will see this one... chances are someone from church will buy me a ticket anyway :)

GiMpY-wAnNaBe 01-28-2004 01:32 PM

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not my type of mive...being an athiest and all.....but its intersting watching mel gibson discard all the controversy as if it were nothing. Although the movie may not interest me much, reprocussions of such events are always fun to watch

TheSlyMoogle 01-28-2004 02:03 PM

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I can see a bunch of avid chuch goers getting into the movie, and then a bunch of the old ladies screaming and crying as they beat christ. "Oh my god, I'm so sorry for all that has been done to you Jesus!"

Um yeah count me out of that environment.

Vampyr 01-28-2004 02:30 PM

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Although Mel Gibson is quite possibly my favorite Actor ever, I dont think I will watch this. Its not my type of movie, and I consider myself a Christain. Its just not something I like to watch.

After it has been out for a while, and they show it on cable, THEN I will probably watch it. But Im not going to pay money to see it.

Joeiss 01-28-2004 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSlyMoogle
I can see a bunch of avid chuch goers getting into the movie, and then a bunch of the old ladies screaming and crying as they beat christ. "Oh my god, I'm so sorry for all that has been done to you Jesus!"

Um yeah count me out of that environment.


lol, ya there will probably be many old women holding their rosaries, lol.

But He had to go through all the beatings, then death. I mean, he did die for us after all.

GameMaster 01-28-2004 07:06 PM

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I think it's too graphic for me. :unsure:

Acebot44 01-28-2004 07:20 PM

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I'm seeing this for sure but I'm not looking forward to reading the subtitles :-o

GameMaster 01-28-2004 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Acebot44
I'm seeing this for sure but I'm not looking forward to reading the subtitles :-o

I believe the movie is in English, isn't it? :confused:

Ginkasa 01-28-2004 07:33 PM

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1. Its in Latin
2. There's no subtitles (I don't think).

There story is well known enough that there shouldn't be any problem understanding it, I wouldn't think.


*shrugs and walks away*

Dyne 01-28-2004 08:42 PM

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****, I think anyone who has read the bible would know that every passage is messed up. In the first few pages it describes one of the first man's penis being circumcized with a rock picked up off the ground, and it describes how animals are burned to a crisp in holy sacrifice. A father even sacrifices his eldest son, just for God.

I think the only people who are complaining and arguing about it will be the ones who have never studied the bible, or gone to church.

Rndm_Perfection 01-28-2004 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dyne
****, I think anyone who has read the bible would know that every passage is messed up. In the first few pages it describes one of the first man's penis being circumcized with a rock picked up off the ground, and it describes how animals are burned to a crisp in holy sacrifice. A father even sacrifices his eldest son, just for God.

I think the only people who are complaining and arguing about it will be the ones who have never studied the bible, or gone to church.

Do you know how oral stories can be changed over time?

Example (and no, it doesn't have to make sense):

"Dyne is a cool guy"
"Dyne is a school fry"
"Dyne is a school bus"
"Dyne is a yellow bus"
"Dyne is a yellowjacket"
"Dyne is a hornet"
"Dyne is horny"
"Dyne is a rapist"
"Dyne is no longer allowed to babysit my children"

It really changes a lot.

Dyne 01-28-2004 09:57 PM

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That's right, because we all know Jesus Christ was just slapped on the wrist. "Oh, woe is me."

I really doubt they had to exaggerate anything. We're less of Caveman than we were back then, and look how violent we still can be.

Professor S 01-28-2004 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ginkasa
1. Its in Latin
2. There's no subtitles (I don't think).

1. The Romans speak Latin, but a bastardized "street" version, and the locals speak Aramaic
2. There are subtitles, I saw them in the trailer. Besides, it would be pretty stupid to make a movie in two dead languages that 99.999% of the world don't understand.

Acebot44 01-28-2004 10:22 PM

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Didnt they also make it in Hebrew?

rottwylor 01-28-2004 10:44 PM

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I've been to catholic schools...CCD...and I still have no desire to see this... partly due to the fact I'm a catholicism survivor... and don't really believe much of the bible

Rndm_Perfection 01-28-2004 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dyne
That's right, because we all know Jesus Christ was just slapped on the wrist. "Oh, woe is me."

I really doubt they had to exaggerate anything. We're less of Caveman than we were back then, and look how violent we still can be.

Your comprehension level is sub-par. But, that's ok in some places.

Joeiss 01-28-2004 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dyne
A father even sacrifices his eldest son, just for God.


Umm... I believe you are quite mistaken. He was going to sacrifice his son because God asked him to, but then God stopped him when he was about to do it. Moral of the story, God doesn't want human sacrifices.

One Winged Angel 01-28-2004 11:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dyne
****, I think anyone who has read the bible would know that every passage is messed up. In the first few pages it describes one of the first man's penis being circumcized with a rock picked up off the ground, and it describes how animals are burned to a crisp in holy sacrifice. A father even sacrifices his eldest son, just for God.

I think the only people who are complaining and arguing about it will be the ones who have never studied the bible, or gone to church.

I seriously doubt you've even read the bible. All you did was name 2 specific passages and called the whole book messed up. There ARE more than 2 stories in the bible. Even if you don't believe in Jesus Christ, there are some great morals that consist in the book.

Dyne 01-29-2004 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Joeiss
Umm... I believe you are quite mistaken. He was going to sacrifice his son because God asked him to, but then God stopped him when he was about to do it. Moral of the story, God doesn't want human sacrifices.

He was intent on doing so. He would have. I should have put "was ready to" but it's been a long day. But I'm glad somebody noticed it at least.

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I seriously doubt you've even read the bible. All you did was name 2 specific passages and called the whole book messed up. There ARE more than 2 stories in the bible. Even if you don't believe in Jesus Christ, there are some great morals that consist in the book.
2 specific passages at the beginning. The book is messed up in terms of modern times. We're forced to adapt it. God's lessons are clear, because some themes are in today's context, such as adultery.

I mean, honestly, you have to agree that Noah living to over 900 years old is quite a bit hard to understand in today's terms. People might have had more dexterity back then; we don't know that. That's "messed up." Jesus' sacrifice was not a cake walk.. it was a ridiculous event in terms of modern morals. They wouldn't force thieves to walk that far with a cross on their back nowadays. Public display of death? No, not anymore. I don't even think they put bags over their heads like they did in France under the guillotine.

Canyarion 01-29-2004 08:46 AM

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May I point out the differences between the old testament and the new one? The old one was for the nation of Israel. The new one was made after Jesus death and is for christians.
Jesus said something like "don't follow the old testament anymore, I give you a new one".

So you can't compare the old and new one and say 'bullocks!'

I think that ppl should know what Jesus went trough, but displaying it like this on movie... I dunno :unsure:

BTW every movie has mistakes... I've already seen a few.
You can't nail someone through their hand palms. Because of the weight of the body, the nail would rip through the flesh and the convicted would fall off.
You have to nail through the wrist, so that the bone in the base of your hand holds the weight of you body.

Oh well, minor detail. :)

The Duggler 01-29-2004 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Joeiss
But He had to go through all the beatings, then death. I mean, he did die for us after all.

That's all fine and heroic and all, but what did it changed, or accomplished? Absolutly nothing.

Professor S 01-29-2004 10:59 AM

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The pronlem with the Bible is not that it's "messed up" its that its parables are now quite outdated, yet modern Christian religions still attempt to take them literally.

The Bible's message is within the whole of the document, not in specific passages. Those that quote specific passages normally are using the religious text for their own ends and pervert its meaning.

They are moral lessons in which we should strive to live by, not absolute laws that lead to damnation or salvation. The crazy part is that Christianity started out using that ideaology, but has become far more strict and literal over the past 1,500 years.

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Originally Posted by Nitram
That's all fine and heroic and all, but what did it changed, or accomplished? Absolutly nothing.

So the birth of Christianity has had no effect on the world in the last 2,000 years?

...

*head explodes from the exposure to sure sheer absurdity*

Joeiss 01-29-2004 12:30 PM

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I guess the fact that the year 2004 is in reference to Jesus has no effect on our everyday lives. Jesus changed the world, my friend.


Anyways, here is a review of the movie by Paul Harvey. It contains some little spoilers, but nothing major. It also addresses the fact the Jews are not negatively portrayed in the movie..

Paul Harvey's words:

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I really did not know what to expect. I was thrilled to have been invited to a private viewing of Mel Gibson's film "The Passion," but I had also read all the cautious articles and spin. I grew up in a Jewish town and owe much of my own faith journey to the influence.

I have a life long, deeply held aversion to anything that might even indirectly encourage any form of anti-Semitic thought, language or actions. I arrived at the private viewing for "The Passion", held in Washington DC and greeted some familiar faces. The environment was typically
Washingtonian, with people greeting you with a smile but seeming to look beyond you, having an agenda beyond the words.

The film was very briefly introduced, without fanfare, and then the room darkened. From the gripping opening scene in the Garden of Gethsemane, to the very human and tender portrayal of the earthly ministry of Jesus, through the betrayal, the arrest, the scourging, the way of the cross, the encounter with the thieves, the surrender on the Cross, until the final
scene in the empty tomb, this was not simply a movie; it was an encounter, unlike anything I have ever experienced. In addition to being a masterpiece of film-making and an artistic triumph, "The Passion" evoked more deep reflection, sorrow and emotional reaction within me than anything since my wedding, my ordination or the birth of my children. Frankly, I will never be the same.

When the film concluded, this "invitation only" gathering of "movers and shakers" in Washington , DC were shaking indeed, but this time from sobbing. I am not sure there was a dry eye in the place. The crowd that had been glad-handing before the film was now eerily silent. No one could speak because words were woefully inadequate. We had experienced a kind of art that is a rarity in life, the kind that makes heaven touch earth.

One scene in the film has now been forever etched in my mind. A brutalized, wounded Jesus was soon to fall again under the weight of the cross. His mother had made her way along the Via Della Rosa. As she ran to him, she flashed back to a memory of Jesus as a child, falling in the dirt road outside of their home. Just as she reached to protect him from the fall, she was now reaching to touch his wounded adult face. Jesus looked at her with intensely probing and passionately loving eyes (and at all of us through the screen) and said "Behold I make all things new." These are words taken from the last Book of the New Testament, the Book of Revelation.

Suddenly, the purpose of the pain was so clear and the wounds, that earlier in the film had been so difficult to see in His face, His back, indeed all over His body, became intensely beautiful. They had been borne voluntarily for love. At the end of the film, after we had all had a chance to recover, a question and answer period ensued. The unanimous praise for the film, from a rather diverse crowd, was as astounding as the compliments were effusive.
The questions included the one question that seems to follow this film, even though it has not yet even been released. "Why is this film considered by some to be "anti-Semitic?"

Frankly, having now experienced (you do not "view" this film) "the Passion" it is a question that is impossible to answer. A law professor whom I admire sat in front of me. He raised his hand and responded "After watching this film, I do not understand how anyone can insinuate that it even remotely presents that the Jews killed Jesus. It doesn't." He continued "It made me realize that my sins killed Jesus" I agree. There is not a scintilla of anti-Semitism to be found anywhere in this powerful film. If there were, I would be among the first to decry it. It faithfully tells the Gospel story in a dramatically beautiful, sensitive and profoundly engaging way. Those who are alleging otherwise have either not seen the film or have another
agenda behind their protestations.

This is not a "Christian" film, in the sense that it will appeal only to those who identify themselves as followers of Jesus Christ. It is a deeply human, beautiful story that will deeply touch all men and women. It is a profound work of art. Yes, its producer is a Catholic Christian and thankfully has remained faithful to the Gospel text; if that is no longer
acceptable behavior than we are all in trouble. History demands that we remain faithful to the story and Christians have a right to tell it. After all, we believe that it is the greatest story ever told and that its message is for all men and women. The greatest right is the right to hear the truth.

We would all be well advised to remember that the Gospel narratives to which "The Passion" is so faithful were written by Jewish men who followed a Jewish Rabbi whose life and teaching have forever changed the history of the world. The problem is not the message but those who have distorted it and used it for hate rather than love. The solution is not to censor the message, but rather to promote the kind of gift of love that is Mel Gibson's filmmaking masterpiece, "The Passion." It should be seen by as many people as possible. I intend to do everything I can to make sure that is the case. I am passionate about "The Passion." You will be as well. Don't miss it!

I can't wait to see this movie. :)

rottwylor 01-29-2004 12:35 PM

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Egads.. who cares?!? None of us were there to prove it did or did not happen in any accurate way whatsoever. The bible has been written and rewritten so many times that things got lost in translation and what not. I think that this is the biggest hoax to hit mankind, and I feel sorry for the zealots that will go see this movie with tissue paper in tow.

DimHalo 01-29-2004 01:31 PM

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Why did this thread have to become a bash party? So people have different opinions, some may be wrong, some may be right. But that shouldn't matter. A person should feel free to express their opinion without being bashed for it. And people should be able to have a discussion without throwing insults around. Especially when it comes to a topic as serious as a religion. I think the intent of this thread was to see who was interested in the movie and such.

If I'm wrong someone can correct me. But in general I think it would be good to stop the insults and just stick to facts and opinions.

rottwylor 01-29-2004 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rottwylor
Egads.. who cares?!? None of us were there to prove it did or did not happen in any accurate way whatsoever. The bible has been written and rewritten so many times that things got lost in translation and what not. I think that this is the biggest hoax to hit mankind, and I feel sorry for the zealots that will go see this movie with tissue paper in tow.

Thats my opinion =)


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