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Ok what do you think the next Nintendo SHOULD be, and what it's GONNA be???

I think it should have DVD playback and all the other media stuff.
The GCN controller has to be changed, the D-Pad has to be bigger. The 2 Z-triggers should be UNDER the L and R buttons, more comfy for shooting. Why not bring the 'select' button back? Just give it another name.
The graphics are gonna be alright, but they need enough time to dev some good launch games. Just bring out Too Human at that time. And the next Mario. And after that the grown-up Zelda.

I'm not sure if wireless will be standard... I'm afraid it won't.
Oh yeah, it should have a built-in HD and BBA.

I think that Nintendo might not use DVDs, but a newer system instead. It's risky though....

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I think that the next Nintendo system, "N5" as its being hailed, just use the normal DVD size disc, and I think it should have a built in DVD player.

The system should also have a harddrive, and built in dial-up/bba.

I also think that the new system should have a slot that you just slide the game into. No lid or trays or any of that crap. By doing this, it will be a lot harder for dust to get to the lense.

I also agree with Canyarion about the Z button. It should be on the BOTTOM of the controler, in a position where you can sqeeze it like a trigger.

The next system should also be backwards compatible with the GCN.

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N5 needs to be backwards compatable with GCN and have the GBPlayer built in. It needs large memory cards to be the standard. As for the controller, the z-button should be moved to where everyone else thinks it should be. As for the whole DVD CD player deal, a CD player would be nice, but a DVD player is definatley not a big deal to me. Although it probably is to a lot of people still, so whatever.

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DVD Playback is not a necessity anymore because enough people own DVD Players anyways, so whats the point on wasting more money for a feature thats not really needed. Ninty could release a special N5 that includes DVD Playback like they did this gen., but 5 to 1 says it sells horrible if Ninty somehow does this because of said reason a few lines above.

But I'm hoping Nintendo includes a built in HD and a LAN/Ethernet Port. No need for dial up since its hard enough this gen to incorporate dial up players into an online game. Nintendo should include an online setup at the launch to at least keep in competition with the other companies.

Built in wireless ports MUST be there. If Nintendo can make it so the wireless controllers are able to be recharged and not need AA batteries, that would be the greatest thing Ninty could do for me.

Other then that, I'll reply here and there as people add new features that could be included and I'll give my input:p

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surprised more of you havnt said the backwards compatibility thing. that is something it heavily needs, we already knows sonys is. MS prolly will too.

also for the LOVE OF GOD, do not build in wireless ports, just make the damn wires longer like Sony's. there is no reason to have to buy batteries all the damn time just so we can get a pointless wireless connection. Not even close to being worth it.

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Agreed. I love my two Wavebirds, but I dont use them unless Im plaing with more than two people, because its hard to fit 4 people around a TV with all wired controlers. If Im just going to play by myself, I almost always use my wired controler.

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I agree with Jonbo, DVD is definately not a necessity and would be a waste of money. I like the idea of the GBplayer being built in. Backwards compatibility definately and LAN ports. I don't think wireless controllers should be standard, many people don't like them. I don't really have any insightful ideas at this point, just giving my opinion on what others have said.

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Oh yeah, I forgot about backwards compatibility:p I would like that to be included.

And I always use my Wavebird(s) for anything I play. I like being able to sit anywhere and not have to worry about the cord or anyone tripping over it.

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Yeah, the wavebird can be cool. I like the idea of wireless, the only reason I haven't purchased one as of yet is because it is a little too pricey and it doesn't have the rumble feature.

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WaveBird 2 should have a rechargable accu. :)
GB player would be nice, but it will hurt Nintendo in sales if they put in one 'for free'.

Oh yeah, bluetooth connection with the GameBoy!!! :D:D

Backwards compatibility shouldn't be too hard.

And even though everybody will have a DVD player, not every kid will have one in it's room. If my N5 could play DVDs (with dolby surround sound) and MP3 and stuff, I'd sell my DVD player.

I love the DVD-eater idea. :cool:

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I cant believe I forgot the most important feature that the N5 should have: The built in waffle Iron. Just buy whatever mix you choose, pour it in the CD tray, and push the special "cook" button on the side of the unit and presto! Homemade waffle's!

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hey, would be better then built in wireless controllers. ;)

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I like that idea. Wouldn't have to leave the room for food and stuff. And everyone knows you can eat waffles anytime.

Well anyway, I'm looking over the wireless discussion and I was thinking that if the N5 used only wireless controlers, then you could get rid of the ugly controller ports on the front of the machine. Also, the ammount of players could be limitless if design it that way. While this may not work on splitscreen games, it would be good for the next Super Smash Brothers or even for sports games. Just think, eight player Super Smash Brothers. Or, even a hocky game where every single player is controlled by a human! The controlers of course would have to be rechargeable unless a way can be devised for them to work without bateries.

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N5 needs to have a DVD player/burner, a built in hard drive, and a built in ethernet adapter(who uses dial up anymore anyways). It should be able to hold up to 5 disks, and have a remote, so u can change games without getting up. Wireless recievers should be built into the system, and the controllers should have built in recharchable lithium batterys. The graphics will be awsome, no dought. They should focus mainly on multiplayer games, because now days nobody plays by themself.

They should pick a "mature" color for the system, **** that purple. They need a good amount of launch titles, and to have games keep coming out after launch. I think good launch lineup would be, Mario, PilotWings, Too Human, a good shooter, a couple sports games, and some 3rd party developments.

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I personally enjoy playing by myself and I know my mom prefers good single player games. Unfortunately there is so much focus on the multiplayer (which is awesome) that there just aren't many really good single players out. Personally, I think Nintendo needs to do a better job of getting games that have both options. Fun for both single player and multi player.

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I think the next system should be a pure gaming console as is this one, I already have a DVD player and I don't want to pay extra money for Project Dolphin 2. Besides that, a real gamer doesn't base their console choice on whether or not it can play DVDs. I think the mini discs being used now are cool, I don't know if they have enough capacity to hold next generation's games though. I don't want to have 2 discs for every game though so unless they can design the same size discs with bigger capacity, I guess they'll just have to use some other type of disc. Backwards compatibility would certainly be nice, for those times when I feel like reliving the 'good 'ol days'. As for the GBA player option, I don't want it to be a standard feature because that's something else I don't need (or use very much) and it just raises the price again. I think they should sell it as an attachment just as it is this generation. Built in wireless receivers would be cool, I would like to see wireless controllers become standard. I wouldn't miss the rumble feature, personally, I like playing better without the rumble feature. If I feel the need for that stimulation, I'll put an adult toy in my pants while I'm playing. At launch time, they should have one of their major titles ready. I think if they had Mario Sunshine, Windwaker, or Metroid Prime ready at launch with the Gamecube, they would've won more customers. I know Super Smash Bros. Melee was released soon after launch but that isn't as classic as other titles like Mario, Zelda, etc. As for multiplayer, it would be cool if online playability was definite, but also keep their offline multiplayer alive. I think LAN should be abandoned because bringing two TVs togther into the same room is pretty unfeasible. I have yet to play a LAN game and I don't think I will because neither my friends nor I have a way to set it up at any of our houses. I guess that's pretty much it. One of my unrealistic hopes for next generation is for Nintendo to create a virtual reality game where you wear a headset and have special gloves you put on so that you become totally immersed in the game.

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I agree... I play by myself most of the time because when me and my friends get together, we rarely play video games...

Although at a birthday party the other day we had a big fun 8 player Mario Kart LAN set up... It was swit...

As for N5... Ehhh *shrug*... I don't think it needs a DVD BURNER... a DVD player maybe... but maybe not... NGC backwards compatibility would be nice... blah blah blah not really any different than what most people have been saying...

I mean, I really don't think a "Pure gaming" console is gonna cut it... Nintendo fans might be all "Yaaay go Nintendo pure gaming", but I don't think they'll be as happy when the sales slump and game development drops off...

Not that it necesarily will if they do that...

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Well, what else do people want besides a DVD player? Because like someone already mentioned, DVDs and DVD players are much more common now then they used to be and you can get one for under $50 now. So I don't think that's going to grab any extra buyers.

And having a DVD burner on a gaming console is just stupid. What would you burn?

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it should have a built in death ray in case someone wins and rubs it in your face. The death ray will detect the excessive gloating and kill them,

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If the other companies choose to include other things and exploit/mass market those other features besides the fact that their console is meant to PLAY GAMES, then I feel shame for any company who mass markets the secondary features besides the fact that it plays games. It's almost the way Americans purchase things. We don't care about the main point of a product, we want to know/have the extra things that come with the product. Me personally, I just want a game console that plays games. Don't try to sell me on the fact it can do 50 other things when all I want it to really do is play my damn games, not cook my dinner, walk the dog, play my porno, etc....

But back on topic. Everyone continue posting your ideas:)

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Carts! We must go back to Carts!

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I personally like the idea of wireless being the standard, as long as the controllers work from 30 feet or so and have long battery life. The console should have ONE small port on the side for recharging your controllers, and each controller will have a port on it to plug other controllers into to charge them as well, enableing you to charge multiple controllers at once, creating a chain effect of sorts. I think that would work. No more ugly controller ports.

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Hell Yeah! :D

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Using thoughts from here and a few new ones of my own, ive compiled what I believe to be an accurate rendering of what the N5 could look like. Ive highlighted all the key features for you.

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Lol Jason, I like the "for her only" feature on the controller! :lol:

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handles, definatly handles , and they shud take online gaming to new hieghts, beter graphix and a contoller more suited for fighters so they can cover all the geners

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I would like to reiterate my position on the wireless controller. If they could get the rumble feature on it I am completely for it. However, there are just certain games that are so much better with it. My support for this is Zelda... I preferred N64 games with the rumble pack and I would not play Wind Waker with out it.

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What it should be

It should take what's great about the Gamecube and N64 and just add to it. Don't sell developers or cartoonize and games this time around ;). Take a page out of Sony's book and re-hash all the big series of the past and innovate the games that didn't do so well in the past... and if they have a great new idea, put it on a whole new title instead of putting a franchise face on it so it can sell.

Nintendo should stop and look for or create at least one killer app in every genre. Popularity and sales aside, just make them for high scores. This gen they were confused over the fact that popularity doesn't mean as much as quality in hardcore gamer's eyes... but that's the past.

I think that N5 should be a gaming only machine again, but it should be a bit more like Xbox. I think with all the pirating going on a HD would be a dumb idea for Nintendo next gen, but they should have some sort of built in memory that has high quantities instead of the rip off memory cards they have. (1/8 of Ps2's memoryfor 1/2 the price) Online gaming is a must, if they don't step into the online gaming world with an iron fist the Nintendo Kingdom will fall. If the next gen starts as late as speculated, they may need to start doing more online now.

As far as specific game changes, Zelda needs to go back to the N64 style. If it ends up being crappy, well, us fans learned our lesson... but Nintendo keeping somthing that big to grow in our imagination is dissapointing. Seeing Link in SC2 didn't help euther, just made me feel worse about it.

Oh, last but not least, PLEASE dan't make a controller as crappy as Gamecube's again... If gamecube didn't get the worse graphics in third party games, it almost allways had the flat out worst controls. Compared to Ps2 and Xbox, Gamecube's third party fighting/wrestling games are unplayable.

now... What it will be

If they keep the same mentallity they have this generation... the "if it don't make money, don't do it" and "popularity over quality" mentality... I think this console will out-class GCN but be a complete failure when compared to Xbox 2 and Ps3.

We may get some nice re-makes, like a GTA3 remake, or a MGS2 remake... heck, why not a Enter the Matrix remake while we are at it ;). Due to the fact that the online gaming community will be at around probably 4-8 million next generation, I doubt Nintendo will follow it very strong. As long as they never veiw not going online as a mistake this generation, they won't fix it. I expect somewhere around 5 exclusive online games next gen, and the only ones they will truly back online will be the ones already popular on Ps2/Xbox (the sports games for the most part, and maybe a MMORPG)

I expect Sega to re-release there sports line up for the first two years of the generation again on N5, then again back out because the sales arent going to be on the level of the Ps3/Xbox counterparts. If GCN happens to be out the gates first next gen may god have mercy on Nintendo's soul. Take GCN's early line-up and pull out all of the ports and non-exclusive games, and that's how it's going to be for the first year leading up to Xbox 2 and Ps3's releases.

If I had to put money on it, I think that N5's success range will land somewhere between GCN and Dreamcast.

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I really don't even know what to say. A lot of good ideas here (particularly the one about the waffle maker). I guess in my opinion Nintendo should almost just back out of the console market and go exclusive for one of the other two consoles.

I just really don't see Nintendo being successful with their business strategy. The US side of Nintendo really seems to understand why they aren't doing as well as they should be, but the Japanese side seems very narrow-minded and arrogant to me. I'm really sick of them because they're not giving us what we want, they're giving us what they think we should want. It's like gifts from my parents during my younger years.

Here's my rendition of the N5 (made in Mario Paint!).

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Please don't tell me that you have Mario Paint on an emulator, lol.

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Good point.

*registers to Justin's Nintendo-bashing database*

thank you, +Rep ;)

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well what you, and everyone else wants, doesnt seem to make them as much money as what they think you want.

so maybe as they keep losing fans and costomers. they'll start to see what really makes them money. :p :hmm: or something

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lol... you captured the essense of the problem.

Fan support is more important than making money in the end. Nintendo is lucky to have fans who are pretty much slaves to them... if Nitnendo's fans were as loyal to Nintendo as Nintendo is to them Nintendo would be dead.

Nintendo isn't #1 right now, so they are gonna have to take a financial hit to get back up there. I just don't see this happening. They will most likely stay cheap and slowly but surly Nintendo's home consoles will die off. GBA will meet it's match one day too, with it's lack of innovation and extremely cheap hardware it's a matter of time until Nintendo will have to invest more into it to survive.

It's pretty sad when I think about it... they are dying a slow and painful death. By the time they are willing to give up and join with other companies they may not be worth that much.

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Nice...very nice. I like the waffle temperature LCD.

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Haha. Thanks for all of the positive feedback guys.

And yes, I was running Mario Paint in an emulator :D I made that in like ten minutes. So, not bad, considering I haven't used it in ages...

In all seriousness, though, I want a HD and BBA, better graphics, and more disk space. Other than that, I'm pretty happy with hardware. I just want more software.

Yeah, I liked that. Too bad it will never happen. Nintendo would sooner make us hook our GBA up to the system to get a super cool readout like that.

Haha. And look at that. I willingly gave BJW ammunition :D I bet you never thought you'd see the day.

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Can't they use the same kind of disc format? Except just making it the standard size? How much memory could a disc like that hold? I think thats what they might end up doing. That way the can still have backwards compatibility and not worry so much about software pirating.

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As long as Nintendo can have nearly the same file size as whatever disk medium the other 2 companies use, Nintendo will stand a better chance getting more 3rd Party titles...but only time will tell.....

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If they stick with GODs, they better have about 5x as much capacity.
Ehm I agree with TML and BJW and stuff. :)

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Well, here's my listing of what N5/GameCube 2/Project Reality 2 should be:

Bluetooth Wireless wavebirds standard. This deletes the need for controller ports, but they should also be there to support GCN 1 wavebirds and gamepads. Up to 8 Wavebird 2's can be used on one GCN via bluetooth.

8cm Blue Ray or OptiRon DVD technology. Screw going to 12cm discs like Sony and MS. 8cm works for shorter loads, and with Blue Ray and OptiRon 20-1000GB capacity, there will NEVER be a need for two disc games. Game data can also be rewritten to the disc optionally instead of internal SRAM or portable SD memory.

Onboard SRAM directly in the hardware instead of an HD. Harddrives crash, and can become corrupt. SRAM can too, but usually at the lifespan of the entire console. Not to mention it's loads faster than what any HD could ever hope of transferring per nanosecond. The only downfall to this is SRAM is damn-near $1000 more expensive, so 1-T SRAM is probably more logical, with SD cards as backup.

Default bluetooth Wavebird configuration. Four analog triggers like PS2, with the same digital overrides (digital "clicks") seen in the Wavebird 1 pad. N64-sized D-pad, clickable analog sticks, Select button, and an analog toggle switch should exist on both the gamepad itself as well as on the console for override purposes. Varying GCN2 pads should also exist, like Wavebirds for fighting purists that resemble SNES controllers. Sony will be pissed.

DVD playback tray. Full-size 12cm/8cm tray supports both GCN BlueRay/OptiRon discs as well as future 12cm DVD-9 movie content, with upgradeable Divx and mp3 codecs (something Xbox and PS2 are currently missing). Support for rewritable/writable mediums, as well as multi-mode discs (game/music/movie). Built-in IR/bluetooth for optional remote.

Hyper-Z shaders implemented in Flipper 2 ISA/GPU. Allowing full-function, programmable GPU ops for automatic graphical upgrades of older GCN games, as well as unparalleled achievement in REALTIME RAYTRACING (though buffered). Flipper 2's estimated internal bandwidth should be no less than 100GB/sec, with texture read bandwidth at over 1TB/sec. Flipper 2 will boast 42 simultaneous texture layers, 32 infinite hardware lights, and an average of 60 million polygons per second in realworld applications.

Next-Gen Gameboy also Bluetooth Wireless with GCN2. Considering Nintendo's current philosophy, this goes without saying. Up to 8 GBA2's can link up wirelessly to GCN2 as controllers or extra feature devices. In a smaller role, GBA2's and GCN2's can also communicate with newer iPod's via bluetooth, and custom soundtracks can be made directly from your collection in the touch of a button, or game soundtracks can be taken with you on the road.

Full 802.11e Wi-Fi support for online gaming. No longer will you need a wireless bridge or multiple hubs to link Nintendo to your network- it will see and auto configure on first boot.

Built-in 1080p and Plasma Deflicker HDTV options. This massive frame buffer will no-doubt handle any resolution thrown at it for years to come.

Built-in Dolby Pro Logic IIx, DD 5.1, DD 7.1, and THX Digital 9.1 Surround for massive gaming experiences. Recievers are auto-detected by games, and set for optimal aural surroundscape. Official optical DTS connectors derived from Apple's G5 HDTV ports.

Killer Apps. Factor 5 creates a Killer Instinct-killer and PilotWings, along with the expected Rogue Squadron sequel, Silicon Knights finally releases Too Human and Eternal Darkness II, Valve updates Half-Life 2 for GCN2, Nspace brings Geist 2, Metroid Genesis and Raven Blade finally arrive from Retro, while Castlevania 6 (true sequel to the SNES game) and Resident Evil 5 debut for launch. Nintendo EAD also brings Super Mario World 3, The Legend of Zelda: Dragon Scale, Smash Bros 3, and two new titles- Massacre (a bloody RPG in the vein of Golden Sun), and Retrograde (a mixture of GTA and Legacy of Kain substance).

And with those expectations, there's no way Nintendo (or anyone else for that matter) can meet them. I'll still be looking forward to it, though...;)

-Official Ninja and Writer of [coming soon]...

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*Doesn't feel like quoting that entire thread...so input below*
Don't we all wish Nintendo would take those expectations and make it a reality for $200-$250. But unforunately, I doubt it will happen:(