Remembrance Day.
 

Nov. 11th, Remembrance Day is coming up. I thought I'd make a thread about Canada's contribution in WWII.

The following link has stuff about what Canada did.
http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/youth/sub.c...tory/secondwar

I've noticed a bit of ignorance on this board regarding Canada's involvement in past wars.




By September 1939, over 58,000 Canadian men and women had volunteered to serve in the Canadian Forces.

Canadian soldiers formed the main assault force for the raid on Dieppe, where over 900 Canadians were killed and almost 2,000 more were taken prisoner.

Approximately 14,000 Canadians landed at Normandy on D-day.

The 1st Canadian Army was instrumental in the liberation of Holland in May 1945.

Over one million Canadians served in the Second World War and approximately 45,000 gave their lives.

Canada's navy was the third largest in the allied forces, and its airforce was the fourth largest.

By the end of the Second World War, Canada's navy with more than 113,000 personnel, included over 7,000 women.



In WWII Canadian forces managed to capture Vimy Ridge. No other allied force could capture the ridge from the Germans even though they had a much larger attacking force. It was also the first victory of the allied forces in WWI.



People with more historical points about WWII are welcome to add them.


Support our veterans.

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CANADA has an ARMY?

:WHOA:

I kid, I kid. Yeah though, Canada's cool, Canada's army is cool (Well, it isn't any more, but at one time...), and all that stuff. I don't have a poppy yet though.

Are any of the Canadian people like, doing anything to mark the day? When I was little I used to go to the parade type things they had with my Grandma, buuuuuuut, I don't do that any more. Yes indeedy.

:canada:

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I would also like to thank France for letting Hitler take over their own country without even trying to defend themselves.

Most of the praise for the Allied victory in WWII should probably go to Russia (who was equally as evil as Germany) and Great Britain (Churchill was a genius).

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Stalin and Hitler were evil, not Russia and Germany. :)

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No, I think he's more correct in saying Russia and Germany were evil, because Stalin and Hitler sort of got everyone in on it. It wasn't like just those two guys were standing on the streets going "Let's take over the world and kill millions of people!"

There were more people who were "evil" or whatever than just those two individuals. They may have been the ones who got the ball rolling (And even that's something of a stretch), but they had huge amounts of people who were thinking exactly like them, and backing them through the whole thing.

So, even though both statements are technically wrong, referring to the actual countries as evil is certainly closer to the truth. :)

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Well, I suppose. But near the end of World War II a lot of German citizens lost faith in Hitler, and even after Stalin died Stalin was denounced by Nikolai Khruschev (leader of USSR after Stalin). Not to mention Stalin kind of forced his way into being leader, he was not elected. Also, millions of Soviet citizens died because they wouldn't listen to Stalin. But anyway, the people in those countries hated their ruler as time passed on. But it doesn't matter anymore I guess.

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Russia gave way more to win WWII than any other allied power. 20 milion dead.

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Add in the millions that were killed in WWI and the millions killed by Stalin, and you have the highest amount of deaths in any country of the 20th century. China too, suffered major losses. I forget the exact number but I know millions were slaughtered by the Japanese Army.

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A large amount of them were shot by their own military. All soldiers retreating were gunned down.

Kruschev wasn't any picnic either. He may not have been as brutal to his own people as Stalin, but he moire of a eye for conquest than Stalin did. Kruschev saw the world becoming under control of communism. There is also the famous speech at the UN where he began beating the podium with his shoe and screaming :"We will crush you!"

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Exactly. They had mounted machine guns behind their own troops, and anyone who decided to retreat got blown to smithereens.

Another huge factor of death: Weapons. When you send guys into battle with pitchforks and tell them to fight, your asking for huge casualties.

And when the Russians did use guns, it was one gun for every two soldiers. One carried the bullets, one carried the gun. When one of them got shot, the other took over.

Those kind of tactics are insane and suicidal, unless you have a large enough population to back up the strategy. Russia did.

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Ah yes, Stalin once said "In the Soviet Army, it takes more courage to retreat than it does to advance."

That tactic was more of a message to the Soviet Army that defeat was not an option, and that they had to win, no matter what. If the Soviet Army was defeated at Stalingrad, Russia ( and possibly the world) would have been finished, because at the same time Moscow and Leningrad were under siege, and if the Soviet's lost at Stalingrad then the Germans would have been able to take those cities, and it probably would have only been a matter of time before the Soviet Union collapsed, if it's capital city was under German control.

I'm not saying what Stalin did to his soldiers was a good idea, in fact, it was horrible. But it was a horrible price to pay for their victory.

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they would have had it too if hitler hadent stoped the tanks and waited for the infantry to "catch up"

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This has nothing to do with WWII but!

The first Canadian to start selling ice cream was Thomas Webb of Toronto, a confectioner, around 1850. William Neilson produced his first commercial batch of ice cream on Gladstone Ave. in Toronto in 1893, and his company produced ice cream at that location for close to 100 years.

Just thought you might want to know about the first seller of Ice cream in Canada.

Woah!

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Errmmm, this topic is about war and stuff. Ice cream in no way has anything to do with anything in this topic, although it is very tasty.

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Just a message to Angrist and anyone else who happens to be from Holland.


Who freed your country's ass in World War II?

:canada:

Damn straight. And don't you forget it either.

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as long as you dint forget who ended the war

:usa: / nuke
=-D

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Well. That was random.

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Slaughtering approximately 150,000 innocent civilians isn't exactly a prideful act.


I can already see your counter argument coming.

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lol...technically it was over anyways, and the US deaths would have been insignificant to the deaths of the Japanese army....although i don't believe nuking them was the right idea....and also TWO nukes...i think more than anything US just wanted to flex their muscle at the world....just IMO...anyways back on topic... err, is anyone participating in a parade or celebration of any sort?

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Obviously.

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hehe, i loaded the page before you said that and posted it after you said it...what a coincidence

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What happened in the past happened...lets talk more current events...how about that plane thing that was shot down yesterday killing 15 more Americans? [sarcasm] But yea, we really need to be in Iraq...because of all those weapons of mass destruction right? They're a threat to the entire world I tell ya! [/sarcasm] But will Busch ever admit that we need to get out of Iraq, or actually do it? Hell no, hes way to cool for that.

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Somebody in WWII calculated that nuking Japan would create fewer casualties than letting the war with the empire continue... even if the casualties were civilian as opposed to military.


Nukes are supposed to be tools of leverage. Do what I say, or you get the nuke. I'd say the Japanese felt the US was bluffing... and if they were, the war would be prolonged with great casualties and ultimately the leverage would never be useful. After the first bomb was dropped, I assume Japan was shocked, yet still not out of the war. If Japan continued in the war with few soldiers (I don't know the numbers, maybe bases were hit) taken out from the nuke, then the bomb would have been completely in vain, and a tremendous tragedy. Once again, a bomb is dropped to demonstrate how serious the states were.

It was basically the world against Japan. I feel the united states should not have threatened Japan in the first place. Rather, continue the combat and accept the losses rather than showing the world that it can be an evil bastard when push comes to shove.

Of course... Japan was rebuilt and is now the modern Japan we know it as. Aaand, considering this is all written in a Gaming forum, I'm sure all you GameCube fans are happy.

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too bad 3/4 of all thsoe deaths were from Stalin.

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longwinded bull

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You're an idiot. I can't understand half of what your saying and and the other half I can read is retarded. The nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was not for revenge from Pearl Harbor.

You can say whether it was needed or not. Saying that we needed to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians just to save a few soldiers is just unethical. That was not the intention of the US Army at all. It was to end the war.

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same here

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I agree that history can't be changed. I'm not challenging the fact it ended the war.

I'm saying your view why it was good is poor and immature.

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i say we nuked them for fun but thats just me

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Oh please, Hero, do everyone a favor and get your act together by shutting the hell up on subjects like this, those of which long posts by you spell nothing but disaster. Your whine-ass attitude of "nuke all, I really don't give a **** 'cause that's the cool way to go, I think I'm wasted, d00d... did I really post that?", sort of crap.

You insult yourself by trying to say you'll dumb down to someone's level... through a labyrinth of confusion in grammatical and spelling errors.



Did anyone else feel a :flame:-ing was called for?


Edit: P.S. Ominub posted his opinion just now. Even though I may not agree with it, I can respect it a bit more than Hero's mind-boggling masquerade.

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first of all i dident say nuke them all im srry i cant spell but its not that bad and i dont relly care if what i say is cool or not

i just think its dumb that people complian that people died

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Holy ****!


Just use punctuation!

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i cant i have to type fast im at work and only have like 30 sec to post.

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Well, considering you have time to read all the posts, and browse around and wait for a response to your dumbass post, I seriously doubt it.

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whatever im done arguing thats not what this tread is about and if you want to argue go with a wall youll be on the same level

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Whoa ho! You sure showed OWA.

If you're going to argue, it's usually a good thing to know what you're talking about. You can't start acting like an idiot and then call other people dumb. So...you're at work when you post. Does this mean you've graduated from high school? I think it's funny that even middle school students can spell better than you. Use a spell checker or something. Oh, and go read a book.

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Canada wasn't fully responsible for the liberation of Holland, Canadian command just happened to be around when the Germans surrendered, so they surrendered to Canada. The US was responsible for mmore Nazi deaths.

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The Liberation of Holland had started with the Americans on September 13, 1944. British troops played a large role along with the Americans. Failure of the airborne assault on Arnhem prevented the liberation of the rest of Holland (September 17, 1944). Canadians took over the liberation and they cleared the Dutch approaches in November. Hostilities ceased on May 5 and the Canadians liberated Holland including Amsterdam and Rotterdam and also the Hague.The Dutch suffered through a harsh winter. Fuel and food and other relief supplies were quickly brought into the area. This was important to winning the war because it ruined the Germans final defense efforts.
Canada had provided a place of refuge for the Queen of Holland during the war in Ottawa . This combined with our efforts to liberate and support the Dutch in Europe led to a good and lasting relationship between the Canada and Holland. This is the reason we have the Tulip festival in Ottawa every year. The tulips are a gift from Holland to Canada to thank us.

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Very cool stuff. Glad I know it.

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exactly....


and as for the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings.... there is no reason why they hit COMPLETE civilian targets.... people who did not want to be in the war, and people who had no desire to fight and die for the war. The only difference that the US showed by hitting those targets is that they had no interest in civilian deaths. Military targets would have made just a strong a message, especially since the japanese would have realized the futility of gathering troops in one place for an attack as they could easily be dispatched..... anyways....ya, thats my opinion