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First of all, If I'm right, dont read this you might be spoiling the last movie for yourself.



























I want you to know, I came up with this theory (rock solid theory) all by myself, and not by reading other message boards.


Ok, here's the thing, morpheus was right, as well as the oracle that everything has been planned out already. There was one problem, that Smith was never meant to grow out of control. When Neo and Smith figured out that they were part of each other. Smith knows already, but Neo does not. How could they be part of each other?

Neo is a program. But Neo does not know he is a program. Smith does, that is why he is trying to kill Neo. That is the big twist. After talking to Smith for a long time, Neo will learn that he himself is a program. And neo then talks to the machines and convinces the machines to let him take over to kill smith. Machines need humans, and humans need machines (remember the speach in the bowels of Zion?) Neo kills smith, but then he kills all the machines, the only thing left of the matrix is then neo, and he has part of smith inside him, so he must sacrifice himself to finish the matrix off. So in the end, neo kills himself and the movie is over. The "real" world that they are in, is actually the last "failed" matrix in which the new matrix was built upon, and this is why neo and smith can control that world too. The architect said that 99.5% of humans dont accept the matrix, but never explained why THE ONE was in existance. Here's why: The architect made a program called the one so that he would lead all humans to eventually destroy themselves. The one has always been a program to bring the .05% of the freed humansto their deaths, the bum in the game/preview, was the old program of the one who still doesn't know he is a program. Or doesn't want anyone else to know. The architect purposely set Morpheus free from the matrix, but told him all about this "one" character to set up the demise of the freed humans. In the preview, you can see Smith in the Oracle's house laughing, after he has killed her. Smith probaly also immediately goes after that french dude to kill all programs that resist him. So this is true, mark my words, we'll find out next month.

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Not bad.

But if the real world is the previous matrix, what about the older versions? Isn't this like the 6th version?

Also your theory implies that the hole architecht speech was bull****, which I don't believe is the case.

this writer of the the movie is a confusing nerd, but thanks for clearing it up!!

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He didn't really clear anything up.. its just a theory..

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This sounds oddly like the FAKE LEAKED SCRIPT I seen on the net not too long ago

Crash, you need to watch the part with Neo and the Architect in reloaded a few more times. After you do you will realize the whole point of The Matrix Reloaded and what makes Neo "The One"

Neo's purpose is to find 7 males and 16 females to rebuild Zion after it gets destroyed, and NEO is the one who has to make the same prophecy again to look for The One. There were 6 other ones and 6 other matrixes, every time a new "One" comes it only prepares a new Zion while an upgrade to the Matrix is being made.

The problem with the first matrix was that there was no "choice" in the world, and the humans locked in didn't even believe that they had a choice, that's why they rejected it. The Architect said a female stumbled upon the conclusion that they have to make man believe they have a choice, even though they don't. What makes Neo the one isn't his abilities, it's the fact that he can chose.

Neo is presented with a choice to either save Zion and start up fresh again after it destroyed, or save trinity and be the reason everybody in the Matrix dies and destroying the existence of Human race. He chose to have Zion to be destroyed and save trinity, or so we think...

The problem with Neo is that he has a choice, and even the Oracle says that she can predict the future of his choices, but anything past his choices neither him nor the oracle can see. That's why in that dream with trinity it stopped, because there was a choice that he had to make that he wasn't aware of yet, but everything else that happened was going to happen no matter what.

(^This is all facts gathered from Reloaded, I suggest you watch that movie again and pay close attention when the Merovingian [sp?] and the Architect speak.)

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Good post Morpheus, I kind of think of it like that too.

But this is an interesting theorie as well (well it's more of a spoiler of revolutions)

POSSIBLE SPOILER: http://www.xzaust.com/index.php?page=matrix

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ok...i didnt read it...but DID YOU HAVE TO POST IT?!?!?! COULD YOU POST IT IN THE SCI FACT FORUM OR SOMTHING!?!?!?! ARHHHHH!!!!

MY VIRGIN EYES SAW SOMETHING THAT SAID "IF THE REAL WORLD IS A PREVIOUS MATRIX" AHHH!!!

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i said that in a pervious matrix thread here... that website is considered around MANY forums to be far in the lead of all the 'spoilers' out there as 'the real spoiler' dunno if it is the real one or not. but it doesnt explain things. it more tells a story. if its real it leaves a lot of the explination stuff out.

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I guess I didn't realize how much of these concepts I didn't understand until I read the theories. Now I feel like I need to give them all closer examination.

Um, I think that link is to the fake leaked script... and once again, it says that Neo gets attacked and blinded by bane while he is in the matrix. If so, how is it possible that a Neo that can see is having a conversation with Bane in the newest trailer and Bane reveals himself to be Smith... Directly to Neo.

Everybody, that story is in fact false.

If you want more proof, there was an interview with the girl who plays "Z" in the movie, and she says that the last Matrix movie will have a true ending w/o any obvious openings for a sequal like the first two matrixes. That's not what is on that site now is it...?

That site makes no sense when you compare it to the philosophy of the Matrix Reloaded or the newest trailers... If that site were true, the Matrix reloaded would be a pure waste of film.

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I thought you left.. Get the hell outa here!

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"Zee" is the name

http://filmforce.ign.com/matrix/arti.../429475p1.html

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plural of matrix is matricies not matrixes

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I think I'm going to pick up Reloaded on DVD tonight.


But I just have to drop this in.

If Revolutions ends, and it's a dream, or a video game, or a virtual realty thing, or an acid trip, and you see this movie at the same theater that I did, you had better ****ing run, because everyone near me is going to die if they pull that bull**** on us.

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Not if refered to as the name of the movie tho.

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I was thinking the same damn thing...

Hey, I live about two hours away from Chicago, I say we see the movie together and bring big sticks.

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Crash, I watched Reloaded today and noticed something when the crew went to the "Frenchy"s restaurant. While walking in, he sees someone being escorted out... the guy's got a beard, so I assume he's the bum people've been talking about. Can I get any verification on this?

Also, Frenchy mentions that he's survived Neo's predicesors *sp*, which most likely means the previous "ones". But, could that possibly be much more recent than "intended"? That is, instead of surviving the previous "ones" from way back... maybe the bum/ex-one was trying to kidnap the keymaker.

Just a thought.

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i never noticed that, but i'll look into it (about whether that was the bum or not)

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His name is the Merovingian. And I'm pretty sure that there is at least a hundred years between emergences of the ones, and that all the previous ones are dead, due to aging, but some might have their mind trapped inside the matrix, who knows? But where does the theorie of the bum being a previous one come from? Is it simply Crash's idea?

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If "the one" is a program (which it most likely is), then he might be able to live forever. Or, the one could bend the rules of aging, as he does with many other basic laws.

Now, what if the Merovingian was a previous one (yes, a bit far-fetched). Reasons why I'd think this:

- Oracle quoted (approx) "He's one of the old ones". Could simply mean that he was just some old program... but to do what?

- Merovingian quoted (approx) "Deal with them... deal with them? Have you no respect for your predicessors?" followed later by "I have survived your predicessors, and I will survive you"

- The woman quoted (approx) "He was different... he was like you"


I await Revolutions.

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I believe that the real world is really the real world, and if that's true, then Neo has to be human because a program cannot exit the matrix (excepted if done the way smith did it)

It's a good thing you put approx, because you got them all wrong. It was more something like "he's one of the oldest" (talking about exilled programs). And what does it matter what purpose he had? What was the job of the twins, or the wherewolves?

He said "your predecessors had more respect than you"

That one is good, but don't mean much.

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The wolves and the twins may be programs he picked up over the many years of "free time" he had. Y'know... like hacks for PSO ¦¬Þ.


If the "real world" is really the real world, then how would it be destroyed five times and then be restored; how also could Neo handle the squiddy; why would the architect treat the one's purpose as part of the control, and tell him that if he were to enter the door to the mainframe, that his "code" (not sure the term he used) would be imprinted into the system. Similar to the last part, how would Neo imprint some code onto Smith if he didn't have a code of his own?


The werewolves though... heh, that was tricky. They (err, he) ought to have a decent part in the next film. I do find it funny how she called them loyal though (loyal dogs, that is).

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Only Zion is destroyed, well the people are killed, the place is not destroyed. And there is some ventilation tunnels connecting zion to the upper world, they might be previous tunnels dug by the machines to kill the humans. That was one hell of a twist, and quite frankly I don't know how he did it. But I think that the purpose of that part was to put a doubt in our mind about the real world, but if it's really a matrix inside the matrix, it will suck. I believe that Neo is either a)now capable of some sick mind trick outside the matrix ( :distress: ) or b) able to control the machines trough the matrix whithout being connected or c)something else that we'll learn in revolutions. I think that everybody inside the matrix has their own code, human or not. When your mind is loaded inside, it has to be digitalized, therefore, transformed into code. And the one is the sum of an inbalanced equation, that equation comes from the inconcious choice that every human being plugged into the matrix has (get out to zion or stay in), and that the machine (well the architect) can not resolve but can control by inserting the remainder of that equation into the one, and get that code back at the end to try to solve the equation perhaps? So neo has that code inside of him, giving him his powers, and some of that code got copied into smith when he destroyed him at the end of part 1. Remember the problem is choice (that's what the code neo carries is all about), and now Smith had the choice to continue being an agent or to become a rogue program, because of the code he carries. Anyways, that is what I believe.

That would be the reason why the matrix will crash if Neo doesn't salvage zion, because if zion doesn't exist, the people inside the matrix won't have that choice anymore, and like in the first versions it won't work.

I don't know if it makes sense, but that's my take on it.

Man, what I would give to sit with the Warkoskys (sp) and get all the proper answers.

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Nitram. You are very much like me; I base everything I know about the Matrix on facts, not beliefs. With that said, Neo's little destruction of the machines at the end can not and will not be explained by reloaded. That part, like you said, was meant to give the viewers disbelief in the real world. That part has too much symbolic meaning, and it goes back to the point made in the first Matrix by Morpheus "What is Real?"

I think that the outside world could be fake, or even an older Matrix. Like The Architect said, the older versions were perfect, but man didn't have a choice. In Zion does it look like Man really has a choice? There is also a bit of symbolic meaning in one of the orphans giving Neo the Spoon. Maybe they realized they can bend it.

The outside world being fake would be a cheap way to end it, but, if it's fake and inescapable then I would consider it reasonable (we live in an inescapable world as we speak). Also, it could be explained by Neo being a machine who takes human form inside Zion and the Matrix. Like the last movie in the Animatrix, Matriculation, they plugged up a robot who took human form inside.

I doubt that the wachowskis would make a bad third movie. In reloaded they have already proved that they can think very deep, the only questionable part is the ending. In this series they have made two very thrilling endings, but they were all inconclusive. They haven't proven themselves when it comes down to a real ending.

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ok just when i read this a had to speak.

i heard (im not sure but i think they're true, because they make sense) that the matrix is really a bible story retold.

heres why

1. Cypher says "hey jesus" to neo in the real world in the first movie
2. resurrection of neo being killed by agent smith
3. how neo fell on the wall when smith killed him (it kind of looks lke jesus on the crucifix)

and that most of the third movie is outside the matrix (i dnt think what i have to explain)

and that Seraph (the asian guy in the tea shop) was once "the one" in a previous matrix.

and remember that i heard this from a friend of mine so dont criticise me

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I heard that the bum in the subway in Reloaded was also "the one" back in the day.. You know, they guy who was saying numbers or something.


And there is a bunch of philosophy/reference to Christianity in the Matrix. We are actually studying all of that in Philosophy class right now!

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Where do you see that bum? I don't remember him in Reloaded.

However, what about that guy that you see being taken away from the Merovingian before Neo and them talk to him? It seems like he should have some importance.

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thats the bum being escorted out

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I had a feeling there were some major references to Christianity but was not sure how intentional it was. Of course, since the makers are masterminds of this stuff I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be.

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The bum was also in the subway in Enter the Matrix.

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Was that the same guy though? Because I don't think it is possible because Agent Smith took over that bum's body in the first one....


And I think the bum was also in the videogame.

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Enter the Matrix is the video game.

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it wasn't, i'm 100% sure of that....well they might have used different actors, but it isn't the bum in the subway from the original. As for his role in enter the matrix, he actually comes and talks with either ghost or niobe and tells them that this will be the sixth time this happens..and when they ask who he is, he says "just a spectator"

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... I know...

:Poke:

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Touché.

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just to point out...... that story *if we're talkin about the same one* ended up being pretty damn close. almost to the point of exactly. a few things here or there are altered and some things cut out. But damn. As i was watching the movie im sitting there KNOWING what was going to happen next each time by refering to that site.

*not saying thats a good thing, cuz i believe that story kinda sucks* but hey, for knowing months ahead. thats pretty good.

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I have to admit, it was close, but it was one of the fake leaked scripts. :)

It was off just enough not to give away the ending... I do wish I would have ignored more of the info online.