Perfect Dark Will not be on Xbox!!
 

It will in fact come no where near the system, but will rather probably be a christmas title sometime in 2006 for the "Nextbox" Good thing Nintendo dumped rare like a cheating girlfriend!



One of the biggest reasons why Rareware fans brought Xboxs has gone down the drain.
When it was first announced that Rareware had been sold to Microsoft fans were shocked in large. Many hardcore Rareware fans brought an Xbox to get all of Rareware's new games.

One game that really had people excited was the then unseen Perfect Dark Zero. Fans even went to such lengths as to buy an Xbox for the game.

A video featuring Joanna Dark in a more anime look was shown last year and fans have been eagerly waiting for news since, and today they have had some bad news.

It seems one of the most anticipated games for the Xbox wont in fact come out on the Xbox. It has a release year of 2006, and will appear on Microsoft's next console.

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Crash, you are starting to sound like me, except backward :D

Honestly, I'm not worried... MS is smart, all they did was give me a reason to buy Xbox 2. For now I'm fine with Halo 2 (and 3?).

There were so many rumors floting around about it being a Xbox 2 game that I'm not even suprised.

Also, I don't agree with your line about Nintendo dumping Rare being a good thing... because if Nintendo still had Rare I'm sure that delay wouldn't have happend and we would have the game this fall. So acctually, I'm more upset with Nintendo than Microsoft :)

At least MS has a great FPS to make up for PD's absence, unlike Nintendo.

Also, I just wanted to point our that PD:0 being released in 2006 is crazy... we are talking about a game that already has had 3 years of development under it's belt, and now getting another 3 years on it... This has to be the longest development cycle in the history of video games.

I think it would be a VERY safe bet that PD:0 will be one of the best and deepest FPSs of all time.

That's all I gots to say :p

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Where is this from?

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Well, I hope at least that Rare comes up with a halfway decent storyline this time. Either this or they should just stop taking the story so seriously because it was laughably bad in the last game.

So bad that I wrote a fanfic about it which you can find in my signature. :D

Don't be so sure. Not too long ago, there was a game in development for three years or so. Maybe even longer. I don't quite remember. Anyway, it got delayed and it got delayed and it got delayed. But people held on anyway because it was being developed by a very well known company headed by one of the key people behind Doom and Quake.

That game was Daikatana which turned out so absolutely bad that it inspired jokes for months. I believe the company behind that game is now defunct.

Long development times are certainly better than really short ones, but beyond a certain point, games start to wither on the vine.

A more relevant example: Star Fox Adventures had a ridiculously long development time, and while the graphics turned out great, most people agree that the rest of the game just lacked something. It wasn't bad, but you would expect more from such a long effort.

By the way, I'd also like to see Crash's source. And while we're at it, who here still thinks Rareware is going to put out 5 games by the end of the year?

Lol, well thats why Nintendo sold them.

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The way rare has been looking lately. PD 0 is far from anything im looking foward to seeing.
Rare seems to be missing something in thier games. Cant put my finger on it, they're missing a little 'umpf' to em. Past ones i've seen, kameo, conker, look 'eh' at best. Even EGM said they looked rather boring at E3.

I dunno. just IMO, i hope rare gets that certain quality that i feel they are missing back. but untill they do they just arent the highest on my list.

Crash u got a link?

If true, then bah that sux for Xbox fans. I think Xbox needs more games this gen, and PDO would have helped 100%.

Wow... I bought Rare for Xbox, but I get this bull****? So there isn't even a Banjo game on Xbox yet, but 2 for the GBA already. No PD. Conker, but a remade port and an FPS. The only things they have are the Conker and Kameo. They better not mess them up.

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I don't remember anyone ever saying Rare was going to put out 5 games by the end of this year. Although maybe I'm wrong...

It's great how people love rushing to conclusions. Rare has not even released one game yet on the Xbox and everyone is already saying what a bad move this was by Microsoft. Has anyone ever heard of LONG TERM? It's actually a very hard concept for people to grasp in our society today.

By the way, I went around some credible Xbox websites and talked to a few people, no one has heard anything about this. I'm not saying it's untrue, but we'll see.

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Well i remember the 5 games for xbox too. dun remember where tho.

And many people are basing it on Rares downhill motion they were heading in with Nintendo. even then i remember thinking just by looking at thier games that something was missing from them. Starfox was pretty damn boring.

Also on the flipside bro. without even releasing one game on xbox many are already saying what a great move it was by MS. Ever hear of mistakes happen?

People will have thier opinions. some will be right some will be wrong. no big deal.

It wasnt 5 by the end of this year, its 5 in two years. And I think its a little past one year since the deal (I could be wrong). It looks like they wont make it, but its rare, so putting faith in that remark was your first mistake.

Also, there is nothing to say PD wont come out on XBox if all consoles come out winter 06' as rumored. It could be the title that holds people over till xbox 2.

And if Rare is currently making it for xbox and then chooses to put it on xbox 2, they are gunna want to update it ala SFA:DP.

Im just spouting stuff off. I wont judge the deal MS made till I see how GbB is.

Im interested to see how PD will look with that JD model they showed.

I don't really get why any one would get pissed about this did Microsoft or even Rare for that matter even say PD0 was coming out in the first place. People have been going on about a secret project by rare for years now mostly the Nintendo fan boy of later year. Oh and crash you seem to be trying a little too hard to put Rare down you a little pissed off your self?

I would just like to point out, it's been something like a year since the Rare purchase, and they have yet to release one game.. Thus far, I think Nintendo made out like a bandit.

And what exactly does Rare have to show for it's time thus far?
-A remake of an n64 game
-A port of a to be made Nintendo GameCube game
and well Grabbed by Ghoulies, not the most impressive line-up.

Also, I believe that Too Human has had the longest official development time.

We don't actually know when Rare started Perfect Dark Zero as it was never officially confirmed to be in development.

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Whatever you have to tell yourself to convince yourself that it was a good move by nintendo and that you never actually loved them.


Big F'in deal, we still get Halo 2 in 04. Besides, it's rareware, it's not like they actually release games in a timely matter.

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Wait... this isn't the same... first of all, FPS is Rare's specialty... they have already made 2 extremely high rated games in the same genre. This is also not 3 years of development time, this is 6.... twice as long, and a developer working on thier specialty.

That's like Nintendo putting 6 years behind a Zelda game, or SCEA putting 6 years behind a Gran Turismo game... or Konami putting 6 years behind a MGS game... I'm sorry if my imagination isn't wild enough to imagine this game being bad.

I guess it could... but damn, it's extremely unlikely

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You seem to have missed a rather important part of my post, so I'll spell it out again for you. And in fact, I'll look up the specific information for you.

Daikatana was in development for over four years. It was originally going to be done in a little over a year and then was delayed for three years.

The development team behind Daikatana was Ion Storm who also did Deus Ex. Their chairman was John Romero who was one of the partners at id Software before leaving. He is the co-creator of Wolfenstein 3D, the Doom games, Heretic, Hexen and Quake. He didn't just specialize in first person shooters. He basically created the genre. Are you seriously going to tell me that this is nothing like Nintendo putting several years of development time into a Zelda game or Rareware putting who knows how many years into a console first person shooter?

Moreover, what are you trying to tell me by saying that it's 6 years instead of 4? Are you going to argue that Daikatana was a rush job or something? Don't be absurd. Apparently, the game needed lots of time and got it. Or, more likely, the programming team couldn't get its act together.

Beyond a certain point, a game just stops benefiting from all the extra time. The rest of the industry moves on, forcing developers to update features in their game or rework the graphics engine.

I didn't go into this much detail last time, but this was all in my previous post. I said the game was in development for a long time. I said the lead programmer had created Doom and Quake (but I forgot he also did Wolfenstein 3D and Heretic). How you managed to interpret my example as a situation in which a company is not working on its specialty is completely beyond me (but not surprising). There are arguments you can make against mine, but yours wasn't one of them.

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Why do I have the feeling that if Rare was still backing Nintendo and it was still going to take 6 years to finish PD:0, instead of saying it is going to be an incredibly deep and good FPS, you would be mocking them for taking so long?

Eh, just a thought.

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Instead of getting into one of these "If this happened then you would be saying this" debates, how about we actually see if Crash's post is even legit. And right now all signs point to no.

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I'm glad I wasn't one of the people who jumped to buy an Xbox after Rare moved. People who bought an Xbox just because they heard Rare moved are "interesting" to me. The reason I didn't buy an Xbox yet was because I have yet to see a Rare game come out. If a Rare game is good enough to warrant a purchase from me, I will do it. But buying one now is stupid to me.

And on the subject of Rare possibly waiting until 2006 or later. Oh well. Maybe that will give PD:0 more time to get ebtter. Even though its Rare's thing to do, they can't mess it up. Hell, if all they did was remake PD and give it better graphics, better multi, online play, and some more new things here and there, I would buy it. I hope Rare at least does something like that and includes it with PD:0.

on a lighter note. I wish Nintendo would spend 4-6 years on a Zelda game and not 2.

*edit* Here's some proof on where crash might've gotten it.
http://www.cube-europe.com/news.php?nid=5403
and they say their source is the-magicbox.com so there must be some truth to it.

I'm sorry, but how nintendo fans are blowing this out of proportion smacks of a desperate attempt to take a shot at the XBox while the Gamecube continues to flounder and Nintendo continues to struggle to stay a viable console company. I'm saying this and I OWN a Gamecube.

A Rare game got delayed... what a ground breaking revelation :rolleyes:

And Jonbo, if you think Rare is the only reason to get a XBox, you are letting your biases keep you from a great gaming experience. Thats all I'll say on that.

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Well that sucks...honestly, if Rare doesn't make a full-out FPS for XBox, I'm gonna be pissed.

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LOL

Cube-Europe is not a reliable source. Those people can't spell worth ****. I'll look into the-magicbox though.

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So what if the only reason I get an Xbox is because of Rare. I bought a GameCube mainly for Nintendo games. Thats what I mainly own, along with a few Sega games. I buy a system because of its games, not because of its power. That's why I would buy an Xbox. Because of its games.

Plus, the way its looking right now from Rare, none of the games they show, with the possible exception of Conker, is grabbing me to buy an XBox.

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no, it means thats his opinion, What? his opinion cant be that there arent great games on xbox? or his opinion cant be that rare was all he was interested in?

your getting awful defensive on the slightly bit of downside news, that no one even knows is true or not. your labeling people as biased or talking in general about 'nintendo fans'. But you dont say such when the bad news is about one of the other consoles.

People have opinions. It doesnt mean they are biased, it doesnt mean they are fanboys, it doesnt mean they are trying to poke fun or kick a console on every bit of bad news. It means its thier opinion. If its not a big deal, let it be.

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Because you think I'm biased against Nintendo... :)

(hey, it's the truth)

But I'm not... Perfect Dark still sits atop my list of favorite games of all time. Not that I could make such a list, but I'm sure it would be top 3... along side Zelda OoT and WWF No Mercy.

Perfect Dark 0 is in a tie for my #1 most anticipated game coming this generation (if it comes)... I've been saying it sense before Ps2 was even released... cept back then there was no tie. (there also was no Halo)

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That's what I'm going to tell you ;)

Nintendo can pour a lot of time into any new series they want, that doesn't mean it will be good, even if it is a platformer... It's like comparing 2 years they put into any ol game to putting 1 year into a mario game.

I think it's much different... Nintendo may be home to the greatest platformer, but that doesn't mean they have never made a bad one. Perfect Dark 0 is an advancement in a franchise, not a whole new idea created from scratch.

People who made the PD series also worked on Timesplitters... we see how big of a killer app that ended up being... not to say it was bad but... it wasn't Perfect Dark.

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Ok, his opinion is that there are NO GREAT GAMES on the XBox. Well then he is either biased or a fool. Saying that the XBox has no great games on it is the same as saying that the Gamecube has no great games on it. It makes him sound like an idiot, and I know he isn't an idiot.

1) Yeah... I'M the the one being defensive in here... sure :rolleyes:

2) I'm talking about the seeming joy that some Nintendo fans seem to take in the delay of a Rare game. Like its some sort of come-uppance for Microsoft. Thats stupid and THATS defensive and childish.

3) I don't post negative news in other console forums. In fact, I rarely even go there because the mnajority of gaming I do is on the XBox, and a little on the Gamecube. Whenever Nintendo fans post in this section of the forum, its something negative. Keep grasping at straws and let your loyalties deprive you some GREAT GAMES.

Yes, and some opinions are uneducated and BIASED, as many in here have been. To say that the only reason to buy a XBox, is Rare, is uneducated and biased. Deal with it. I had hoped we were passed all of this silliness.

And for the record, thats MY opinion.

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Wrong, Whether a game is great or not, is all a matter of opinion. It's scores it recieves from magazines or websites or what not, are all opinions. If he doesnt like ANY game on xbox, it could very well be that HE JUST DOESNT LIKE ANY OF THE GAMES. I'm not saying that is the case, but just because he says he doesnt like the games doesnt make him biased. IMO, it makes you sound more biased because you say he's a fool for not likeing any of the games your trying so hard to defend.

And yes, people can say theres no great games on GameCube. Its thier opinion, they are allowed. It just means they may have differnet tastes then you.

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Ok.... so Nintendo probably forsaw problems with the development of Rare's killer app, so they sold them?

I agree with TheGame on Rare being master in console FPS, but I also think they should have got the game ready for THIS generation. :unsure:

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The only thing I'm trying to defend here is intelligent thought. If some where to make the same comments using Square for Sony or Retro for Nintendo I would have the exact same opinion. See the forest for the trees.

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I am leaning toward Strangler here... while the arguement can be made that it's all opinions, some "opinions" aren't educated enough.

It's like me saying my opinion is that Gamecube isn't even a video game console... notice how I give no back-up of myself playing it, and no reasons. Opinions have to be formed with reasons... and I just saw: "If a Rare game is good enough to warrant a purchase from me, I will do it. But buying one now is stupid to me."

In other words.. no good Rare game, no console purchase. Give more indepth reasons... he didn't even acknowlege the fact that Xbox has other games. Like Rare is the only thing that matters...

I see how Strangler can assume fanboyism here... why is Rare the only thing that matters? If you won't buy a console because it doesn't have a Rare FPS game, why buy a GCN and/or Ps2?

It just sounded closed minded.

Now, I'm not accusing Jonbo of being a fanboy, and I do see Null's point... but this is all based off of a post where Jonbo wasn't clear enough with his words.

Strangler is jumping to the assumption that Jonbo is being blinded by his fanboyism... and Null is jumping to the assumption that Jonbo has enough knowlege and enough playing experience with Xbox to jump to such a judgement.

It's funny because I was kinda like Jonbo not too long ago... while I would praise and defend Xbox on the boards, I didn't own the console and I wasn't looking hard enough to find a good game on the Box. Now that I have it, I wish I would have had it way sooner. I didn't buy Halo until the begining of this year... boy oh boy how I regreat that.

Now I'm at the point with my Xbox, where I wish I would have purchased one in the fall of 01 instead of a GCN.

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People can preach 'XBox/Gamecube/PS2' doesn't have any good games and that it's just their opinion but it's all bullsh*t if they like videogames. Each and every aformentioned console has to have at least a couple games that would appeal to any GAMER.

In theory, Jonbo may have played every XBox game...in theory, he may not have liked any of them. But we all know that's garbage.

Well, I agree with Null on this subject. Just because, he doesn't see something wortyh purchasing on the Xbox now, or maybe he does see something worth purchasing just not worth buying a whole new console for, doesn't make him a fanboy. He has a right to his own taste.

I mean I own an xbox (even if it is at home now), and I didn't find anything too interesting on it, other then Jet Grind Radio Future. Doesn't mean I haven't tried other games, but those were the ones that interested me.

But sometimes, people are blinded by the light, or can't find the diamond in the rough. I'm probably one of the few people who have heard of/played/owned Mystic Heroes and the only reason I got that game was because it was in between Mario Sunshine and the next game. The game turned out to be fun, but since Jonbo doesn't own an Xbos he doesn't have an option of checking out some of the lower, less talked about games that could be fun, and sell him on the console.

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THANK YOU. NUFF SAID.

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Just fightin' the good fight ;)

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so maybe a GAMER, only likes FPS, and that said he says theres nothing good on gamecube for him because theres no GREAT FPS's on there that INTEREST HIM. Doesnt mean he's less of a gamer. It means he has different interests / tastes.

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But there is a good FPS on Gamecube ;)... and an exclusive one coming :D

But I see your point... You should have used RPGs or Raceing games for Cube though :p

But um... jonbo is a different situation... he likes gaming in general and is pretty much a hardcore gamer. I don't think if FPSs was the only thing he cared for in a system he would be owning a GCN. Also, if he wasn't a hardcore gamer he wouldn't be coming to some forum on the net debating, and getting that many posts.

The way I see it, when he looks at Xbox, Rare is the only thing he can see as a reason to buy it... and he most likely likes games of the same genre as good games on Xbox... that just gives a bad impression.

But I may be wrong.. he could have played every game on Xbox for all I know... *shrugs*

It's just the impression given by his post makes him sound like Xbox is pure crap.

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Are you disagreeing with me?

I said that is possible in theory. But in this case, I am QUITE sure it's not the truth. Do you honestly think Jonbo has played every XBox game and disliked every single one of them? Think about it...take a stance and stop tiptoe'ing on the fence. I always thought the Devil's Advocate was a p*ssy :D

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Actually i was never pointing at jumbo specifally. i know i kept saying he, but honestly i never took a look up to see who everyone was talking about.

Doesnt change my stance tho. As i said up above, my argument may not be the case in this situation. (in one of my first couple posts in this thread actually.) But you dont need to have played a game to make an educated decision on whether it interests you or not. I never played superman 64, but i read up on it and decided it does not interest me in the slightest. lol.

Seriously tho. the only point i was trying to make, (and think i did) was that Someones opionion doesnt make them a fanboy. i just think the term 'fanboy' gets thrown around way too much.

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I understand I didn't clarify my words enough in my previous post. I have played XBox quite a bit. Hero2 owns one and when many friends are over and we are bored, we usually play Halo or some other multi game. So to anyone who has said that I haven't played an Xbox very much, you are quite wrong. I actually do own an Xbox game that I bought from a bargrain bin at EB's awhile back. The game is JSRF/Sega GT 2002 combo disc that came with an Xbox. I bought it just to play GT 2002 because I love racing games (along with FPS's) and JSRF as a bonus for if I wanted to play it more. But the purchase didn't make me buy an Xbox because I can play it at a friends house if I get bored. So I am not a biased fool who doesn't see any other light then Nintendo's. I just really prefer Nintendo over other companies because I have been a Nintendo person most of my life.

To clarify that when I see Xbox I only see Rare, I DON'T. I just forgot to say that not as many other games on Xbox have grabbed me to buy it. It's just that Rare has been a company I have been watching ever since they moved to see what they will be able to produce. I do see other companies that make games for Xbox. It has its share of good games. It's just that I haven't had the urge of "Buy it now" yet.

So continue calling me a fanboy or whatever, but I have had much exposure to other consoles so I know where my decisions/ideas stand. Hell, right now I am borrowing a PS2 from a friend of mine because I really wanted to play Simpsons: Hit & Run but Hollywood Video was out of the 'Cube and Xbox copies. So I rented the PS2 version. If I was a full fanboy, I would've said f*ck this, I'm waiting until 'Cube copies come in.

So there you have it. Any other comments?