Just My Opinion...
 

So i was sitting in my family room, watching BBC World News. When all of a sudden, President bush is quoted to say " Treat our POW's Humanely" Yes, much like he is doing with all the afgans sittin in cells smaller than most mid-sized cars. He as well as most americans make me sick. I'm Saying this not as a "North American" but as a european, north america in general, i hate. The opinions of most people on this side of the world sway with what everyone else has to say, not only has originality left society, but Public Opinion is all Flowers and Sunshine simply because people are against a war they have no idea about in the first place.

All this talk about War, and some American cities having mass Anti-War protests got me thinking. Why are most people for this war? " Because saddam needs to be taken out of power", A quote often heard on CNN, but beyond that, have they got any logical and well thought out. No, of course they can't, because they merely feed off the information given to them by a bias news station. I'm all for war. Diplomacy was given a chance yes, but instead of having a more traditional war, what do the americans do?
Call in the Air Support! According to reports there were less than 100 Iraqi soldiers and conscripts holding a town, and America, being the brave state they are, called in
F 16 fighters to Napalm them into next week, lovely don't you think?


Also, the recent " Accident" Involving a British helicopter, being shot down by a US Patriot missle.... Umm, Patriot missles have to be fired manually, doesn't anyone else see a problem with this? This would be the second set of friendly fire casualties within the last 2 years involving americans.... First they bomb four innocent Canadian soldiers ( The Pilot was dis-honourably discharged in the end, so some closure for that) and now this. American efficiency at it's best i suppose.


I'll be watching CNN tonight when i am getting ready for bed, like i have been for the better part of 2 weeks, to see what the continuing " Shock and Awe" campaign will leave on Iraq. This may sound incredibly cold, but when America finally reaches Baghdad and 100s upon 1000s of Americans are slaughtered in the worst Urban Combat situation since Stalingrad begins, i will be smiling at every drop of blood that comes out of there body.

Because then, and only then, will they realize that the world isn't going to be a pushover anymore.

You know. I can understand why one would feel this way. Watching thousands of ignorant american's waving flags on TV with no thought to the consequences. Without even considering what this war means. That they are being lied to by their governments. I am an american and I am not in favor of this war. If I actually believed that this was a war to liberate Iraq and not to gain control of vast amounts of oil I would be in favor of it, but we know that when Baghdad is taken, a government will be set up, probably much like the one in Afghanistan, with no democracy what so ever.


So as I said, I am not for this war.


But you have to go and say something like this......

You prove once again why I will never actively protest this war.

That may be one of the most ignorant statements I have ever read. You WANT americans to die. I suppose the Iraqi's lives are more valuable than the Americans?

I don't support this war because during war people will DIE and but this point, the quickest path to the end of the war, and the end of death is a quick american victory, which is what I hope will happen. I'd like to think this is what the majority of protesters believe but unfortunately morons like you prove me wrong.

In this country I see people comparing George Bush to hitler. These people should do the gene pool a favor and go jump in the lake with cement shoes. George Bush is an awful president but he also hasn't killed SIX MILLION JEWS out of pure hatred, nor has he slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Russians, Slavs, Poles or other people simply because of their nationality. George Bush is not a good man, but to compare him to Hitler is sheer Ignorance.

Legitimate protesters of the war protest it because it will mean the deaths of many lives, you however are only against the American side out of ignorance and hatred. Don't you realize that this makes you no better than the many raciest Americans that support this war out of a desire for bloodlust and revenge against arabs?

You want us to suffer and for that I wish upon you the shame to realize the mistakes you have made in hopes that you will see the errors of your ways.

Actually,i dont' wish for Americans to die. When 9/11 happened i felt remorse for America.

Soon after that they have started there little game of Imperialism, and have basically tried to start an empire by putting themselves all over the map.

This war by all rights shouldn't be happening, but you know what, if Americans die because they are in something they shouldn't be, so be it.

Yes, a " quick " war, clearly the war wouldn't last 2 weeks like most americans and others thought, why do you think the UN had such heavy protest towards this attack, they knew it was going to be drawn out, Air Strikes do what? Jack ****, it just makes for more rubble to be faught on when ground troops reach the capital. If anyone is being ignorant, it's you.

To argue your other " Points". I am not only against an American side of this war, because the iraqis are far from innocent, but when you bring in AIR STRIKES to kill under 100 people, it isn't a war, it's a ****ing joke, they shouldn't have sent in ground troops if they aren't going to be used, they are honestly making a mockery of war.

Of course we all want a quick outcome, it's just not going to happen, If Saddam is going down, he will take as many people down with him as possible, so instead of saying useless **** like " People compare Bush to hitler" i'd like you to point out ONE person who has said that btw. Try and make logical points instead of accusing me of being Racist simply because of how i
think one country is handling a delicate situation

And to further argue your point, i'm not against war, i'm for it, it has to be done, but i just think the Americans are going at it the wrong way, thinking it's going to be easy, remember WWI " We'll be home by christmas" 4 years and like 4 million dead later, they were home. Well most at least.

I don't think you know why we're fighting this war do you. That was the most ignorant post I've ever read.

Well there are many Theories actually, one of which. Oil, makes the most sense. Taking out Saddam? Hardly, he has become a less than primary focus in this attack. They are trying to make a point to the middle east? The Afgan strike had the same effect, nothing like attacking a nation with less than adequite firepower and technology.

Anywho, back to the topic at hand.

I try very hard to not get sucked into the Propeganda put forth by your government, i am actually pretty even on this war, i honestly couldn't give a **** who wins, although clearly we all know America will, they have the numbers to do so.

Another thing, you didn't honestly think the they would surrender did you? i am willing to bet 90 percent of those 2000 or how many of them surrendered were all conscripts and they had no desire to fight, this isn't like Gulf War I , instead of being an Invading force, they are now defending against a invading force, in there country, and will be damned giving it up without a fight.

You went a little over the line here Rick.

Have you no respect for human life?

Yes, i do have respect for human life, innocent human life, i have great compassion for, i would rather have 5 to 1 ratio on soldiers to innocent civilians die, of any race, or culture, innocent deaths upset me the most in war.

Hearing stories about Iraqi soldiers using Women and Children as SHIELDS makes me sick.

I won't say anything more.

Ok, Soldiers, are not innocent people, they enlist for the opportunity to KILL others, that is not innocent, and if you think it is. You've got a problem.

You do realize we may have killed him with the FIRST airstrike. 4 Bunkerbusters and 18 Tomahawk Cruse Missles were droped on a compound belived to have been housing saddam on wednesday night.

Saddam has not appeared on tv live since then (Two videos were released, and both of them were obviously pre recorded to be shown in event of something like this happening) He is believed to be in serious condition, and no state to lead the country. One of his sons is believed to be dead.

It sounds like you want us to die. What is your problem? We're fighting to give Iraqi's freedom. I have a friend and her father is Iraqi. He almost died getting out of the country and much of his family is starving. Some even dead. By what I'm hearing from you your probably French. We've wanted this war to happen for a long time. We're not taking over we're saving Iraq. You really don't know what your talking about. :\

That is a very good point Stonecutter, you at least are knowledgeable.

But in saying that, Most of the major news stations said they Fatally injured Bin Laden in a strike in the mountains in December 2001, turns out he wasn't even there.

So the credibility of the reports can be questioned. But i am very glad you brought that up :)

LOL " we're not taking over, we're saving iraq" so a full scale invasion of a country isn't taking over its " Saving ". So when saddam is over thrown and a government is put in place that will be no more democratic then the one put into place in afganistan, the only difference? This government will be in America's Back pocket.

So PLEASE instead of lining off all these bull**** one liners like " We are fighting for freedom" learn what the **** you are talking about.

whatever, I'm not going to argue this anymore, believe what you want to believe.

Ok, answer me this, in all honesty, do you know ANYTHING about Politics of War?

Yes I do know politics of war. I know what happens in war. If there is a war I know why we are going. You think we're are going to war for oil. Where the **** are you getting your information?

I'm done with this.

Well, actually oil is part of the reason we are going to war with Iraq. Although it is not the main one.

Freeing up all of the oil will bring wealth to the Iraqi people, and it will also lower oil prices. And probably stimulate our economy.

I'm aware of this, I'm just saying oil is not reason we're sending soldiers in Iraq.

Well, I generally hate to get into political discussion with anyone whether online or not because many folks ake their political belief to heart, but I got to side with Marc on this one, no matter how you cut it I don't see this war being just.

1)To remove Saddam from office, I'm sure all of you folks will tell me how evil he is and so on, but does the US really have the right to go to another country and change their regime? I mean heck, the US was formed because the US didn't want interference from Britian and yet here we are doing the same exact crap.

2)To help the Iraqi people? I mean that is all well and dandy, but there are problems at home that need to be dealt with first, I mean it makes no sense to go visit someone's home and complain about it's problem when your house is in the same shape. And while we are at it, why don't we feed thekids in Africa, find cures for diseases and install technology in 3rd world countries. It isn't nor will it ever be the US's job to make the world a better place for everyone.

3)Oil? Well that is the main reason most folks bring up, and god knows we better not be going to war for some goddamin oil.

Well........



The second we freed Umm Quasr or whatever that port town is called, the tankers were fillin up on free gas. I can't prove this, but trust me. This is about oil.

Bingo, that's what people fail to realize, Oil = Gasoline.

You notice how much the prices were inflating during the " tension " period?

What do you think will happen when America controls those Oil wells. The prices will drop to a steal.

ok, when I see this I'll believe it. Then I'll say I'm wrong.

The thing that would **** the US over in this would be an OPEC embargo, there would be no gas, but I'm fairly confident that the US took care of that long before the war started. They know we can't have it like the 70s again when gas went up a dollar.

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Uhh, Half of it has already happened........You don't drive do you?

Even we in Canada are feeling it, Prices were up to High 80's per Litre, and and that is Obsurd.

So unless you really are living in a cave, you have already been proven wrong.

I was meaning to your last statement.

Again, it's already happening, why do you think they are having all the british soldiers protect those oil wells?

Well, I'll belive they're protecting them to save them from being set on fire, that's not a good thing.

Wow Rick... I'm not even going to dignify your posts by pointing out the facts I've been pointing out over and over and over again. You are filth, and I won't waste another word on you.

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Re: Just My Opinion...
 

I'm sorry, but you are a complete idiot.

Afghans are treated better than any POWs in the entire world ever have. Let's see, they get to stay in cells, get fed, get medical treatment, and do not get abused in any way, shape, or form. All that's left is giving them a 5-star hotel. What part of prisoner do you not understand?

Or maybe you're too busy bitching about other people who you claim know nothing, to actually learn something yourself. How are the US prisoners treated? Well, they are given no medical treatment, they are hardly fed, they are severly beaten regularly, and they are also assasinated.

Get your head out of your ass. Try having a ****ing clue what you're saying before you open your uneducated mouth next time.

What the hell do you want, a 20-page report? A lot of people who oppose the war know little. Those in favor are aware of the major reasons for this war.

As for bias, surprising coming from you, American televisions slants left you idiot! Yes, left! Anti-war, not pro-war.

Hey, here's an idea, let's get more troops killed! Oh wait, here's a better one, how about you get a ****ing clue?

As for the report which you seem to know little about, the Iraqi soldiers were a joke. Being the humane state that we are, though it may come to a surprise to you, we called in tanks, who used machine gun fire on these guys to try to prevent any innocent people from getting hurt. It was later learned that the town was occupied by 120 Iraqi soldiers, and after a long stand-off, where the Americans played nice, they called in a strike from a Harrier. We could've demolished the whole town hours ago, but we didn't. But hey, wouldn't expect you to know the story.

And this coming from someone with a lot of experience in battle and knows what he's talking about. Oh wait, that's right, you don't have a ****ing clue. Why don't you describe what it's like to be an astronaut next?

Every American soldier who dies, which unfourtunately is a honorable human being, unlike the worthless piece of **** that you are, is a direct result of American morals, and dignity.

One of the things we often forget about World War II is how little people like us really knew about what was going on. The D-Day landing took us all by surprise, for example. Oh sure, we knew it was coming, but we had no idea where it would be, how big it would be or how successful it would be. Why should we have? The Germans didn't know that stuff either.

It was a big, confusing mess. We've been spending the decades afterward figuring out what happened. It'll be the same way with this war. All we know is that a number of Americans died on this particular date. There's no way of telling whether this "shock and awe" strategy will work in the end because if it goes as planned, it's going to take a lot longer than a few days. In the meantime, we'll only be hearing about the number of deaths and what cities have been taken.

We all generally agree now that World War II turned out more or less the right way. I wonder if somebody back in the day would have come to the same conclusion looking at the flattened rubble that used to be cities and the enormous death count.

I don't know what this war will look like in the final analysis. Neither do you. We only know a few things. One is that the war is happening and that nothing will stop it. Another is that Saddam Hussein will be out of power one way or another. Instead of talking about justifications and past mistakes, I suggest that we start worrying about the future.

Re: Just My Opinion...
 

Forgot about this part.

Patriot missles don't necessarly have to be fired manualy. They can be set to shoot at anything that doesn't send out a proper IFF signal (Incoming friend or foe) Chances are the Brittish Tornado that was shot down turned off it's IFF squak to avoid being picked up by iraqi radar. If they forgot to turn it back on, on the way in there would have been nothing to stop a Patriot missle from identifiing it as a unfriendly. If it was travling slowly it could easily have bene confused for a sucd missle even if the Missle was being activaly manned and fired.

I'm retracting my comments. This is war is useless. America is going overboard in this war. I thought this was a war about killing Saddam and establishing a new government for Iraq, but this is aparently a load of ****. This is just trying to lower oil prices for us and we're killing innocents for our own greed.

Sorry for the bull**** I was mentioning earlier

well said! you dork, we are fighting this war to help the better half of the iraq people, there leader is a butcher/rapist and is building nuclear weapons without anyone knowing, why do you think nato was int here for months trying to find and disable bombs, we gave saddam a chance to not fight the the lil beitch refused and now he wants a fight, ya good luck, there a country damn near the size of texas when we have how many troops, somewhere around 700,000 haha! i still dont think it wont last anymore than a month.

Funny how he's building them without anyone knowing, but you know of them! :eek:

Shows how little you know. But your opinion is always welcome, it's just not a valid opinion, and it's not respected. But hey, this wouldn't be America if people weren't allowed to voice their opinion where it is not wanted, nor welcomed!

We are going to war because it's in our best interest to go to war. It's about getting rid of a regime that we should've years before, and getting rid of the regime before it becomes a bigger threat on the American people. We do plan to help the Iraqi people, but we didn't go to war for them. If that were the case, we'd be fighting all over Africa as well.

NATO was not inspecting weapons, that was the UN, and they were in for years, not months. The country is roughly the size of California, not Texas, and there are 300,000 troops, not 700,000.

I'm saying we shouldn't be attacking Iraq yet. I think we're attacking so early because of their oil. If it was to take out a regime we wouldn't be in this war at all. North Korea has even more people tortured and starved to death than Iraq. Why aren't we attacking them? N. Korea even has at least 2 nuclear weapons.

I'm just saying this war is not all about taking out Saddam and his government.

Actually, One Winged Angel, I would disagree with you there. I would tender that it IS about removing Saddam and his gov, and replacing it with one primarily under US control. And anyone who got in with the US on the ground floor (eg UK) gets a divvy up of the proceeds, and anyone who opposed the US invasion doesn't.

It's called Imperialism, and it's one of the things that we Brits did well in the past. You know, "liberating" a country and claiming ownership.

Re: Just My Opinion...
 

Maybe you should educate yourself a little more before opening
your pie-hole.


Captured Afganis are not POW's. They do not form an Army as it is defined in the Geneva convention.

Napalm is not an anti-infantry weapon. Artillery strikes were called
in, which is in line with modern combat procedure. If the enemy has
dug in, soften them up with artillery. War isn't about who's bravest,
it's about who wins.



As for the "NO BLOOD FOR OIL" rhetoric, if the U.S. wanted Iraq's oil
then why didn't they take it in '91 when the war was already won?
If the U.S. were that concerned about oil prices, we would have
attacked
Argentina when the oil workers went on strike, since we get more oil
from there than we get from the Middle East.

As for the WMD debate, it doesn't matter whether Saddam as WMD or not, the Scuds
he is currently launching violate the U.N. resolution 1441 because of the range that
they are capable of being fired. Whether or not he has the missile armed with nuclear,
biological, or any other warhead is a moot point.

As for the charges of imperialism, they are completely laughable.
The U.S. spent the first half of the 1900's giving emancipating all the foreign
territory it had acquired up to that point, Phillipines anyone?

The UN had given Saddam 12 years to conform to the regulations that had
been placed upon Iraq. Said regulations were suppose to be conformed to within 45 days.
The regulations passed the UN security council unanimously, so then why
were France, Russia, and China unwilling to enforce the same rules that they supported?
Peace was given a chance, and a very lengthy one at that.

Actually the United States is rather bad at Imperialism. We want to set up a temporary government, and then give the country back to the Iraqi people.

If that's where you were going with your statement...

Well, at least we have the Virgin Islands! It's too bad, we could have half the world by now :(