Rare Going Multiplatform, Final!
 

From Senor Matt:

Balls,balls,balls,balls,balls,balls,balls,balls. This is, in no uncertain terms, a pile of ****. Senor Matt is speaking bollo***. ( On another note, I would like to apologise for my recent grumpiness, and sorry to all members of GameTavern.)

In your face ric, CH, and shadow_link :p
I dont really care that much cause they'll still be making the same games for GC but they'l be making diff once for diff consoles

Your so ignorant... you cant face the fact that Rare could develope for another console..

For a start Mushlafa, there is no evidence of:

1: A breakdown between Nintendo and Rare.

2: The Stamper Bros, having any campaign to break away from Nintendo.

3: The Stamper Bros, can afford to buy out Nintendo's 45% stake in the company.

4: Rare has little chance of developing into a major softco. (Due to the dependance on Nintendo for a finnancialy safe infastructure.)

5: Rare games are an aqquired taste at times. Would Rare survive independent for long with it's essentialy British portfolio.

On another note, consider this: The Stamper Bros are worth £90. Nintendo provides Rare with financial, coding, creative, hardware and liscence support. Would you gamble this by going independent and a high probability of losing it all. Would you do that Mushlafa. I would probably think not.

Rare going multi platform doesnt mean that they wont make games for Gamecube anymore....

Well Matt said that this was either a Mutual decision or one made by Nintendo... it would be making Nintendo more money and it would also make rare more money.. so what are they losing if they develope for other systems... they're games will probably still sell like hot cakes because of all the snes fans that probably liked donkey kong when they were younger..

Im bad at getting my point across... but all i really wanna say is how is nintendo or Rare losing anything by going multi pllatform?

Rare rumored to go 3rd party...........


Nintendo takes new direction, Says to focus on games now.
(maybe no more console making)



rumors say Nintendo is the one that made the decision to let Rare go..


Maybe Nintendo wants out of making console, and wants to make games only. therefor not needing Rare.

:eek: :eek: Null posted !

Well ... Im gonna have to hope that your wrong null :p
but who knows maybe hes right...

I feel like im post cramming :unsure: oh well

The Stamper Bros. do not have to buy out Nintendo's 45% stake in the company to be independant. You see, Nintendo has a large stake in it, but it is not a majority. Thus, leaving Rare with the choice to do what they want.

Could I please see evidence to support that statement?

1. Matt explained it clearly. Rare isn't making them much money, if any. And if you look at how much Retro has done even with management problems, you gotta think they are moving away from Rare.

2. No one said there was. You made this one up.

3. If Nintendo chooses to sell it, yes. So could Bill Gates, doesn't mean it will happen.

4. That's true. But from the sounds of it, Nintendo wants Rare gone, so why would it matter if Rare actually does well afterwards?

Nintendo is a company looking to make money, they're not like MS who won't profit from Xbox, and likely will never make up for lost $$$. Rare takes forever to develop a game, and every day that passes costs more money to pay the employees. Now with games like GoldenEye, it's all worth it. But not all their games have done well, so it doesn't help Nintendo financially. Then they had dev kits before anyone, and they still don't have games out. Hell, Star Fox Adventures was already planned and in development for N64, they should've had this done a long time ago, and been ahead on Kameo and DKR.

If I were Nintendo, I'd be much more willing to put money into Retro, NST, and SK. NST is just damn good at making games, Retro has one of the best facilities in the world, and SK has tons of talent, and I want Too Human! I'm not even very interested in SFA, only the classic flying portion really. Don't care much for the sounds of Kameo, and DKR doesn't seem to be making any progress. Does this sound like a company who you want to put a lot of money into?

Look at Retro. They are just doing Metroid right now, because before the mangement problems they didn't get anything done. But they also have ideas, games planned that were canceled because of Metroid. Car Combat looked pretty sweet, and it was actually being developed if I remember right, to be an online game. Their football game had nice cheerleaders :D

For for idiot, who thinks he's right and Matt's wrong:

Haha, sounds pretty confident. Still thinks it's balls?

Hmm...Oh well. :p




*waits for Ric* ;)

IGN isn't the only place confident Rare is going third party... PSM is too... but I already posted a topic about that :p

Anyways... I'd be surprised if they don't go multiplatform... not only were there tons of rumors (like there were before Square finally announced they'd develop for NGC, while Sony fans screamed that it wouldn't happen in a million years), but now all of a sudden apparently there is something that a few very reliable sources have been hearing that makes them like 100% sure they will go multiplatform...

But still it's not official until it's announced by Rare... But it just sounds so convincing... unless you're Ric.... or Idiot..... :D

:sneaky:

Ric hasn't been online this month, I wonder what's up with him. I asked DC but he hasn't seen him either. :confused: CH?

Oh well I guess I have to except this. That explenation of why Nintendo decided it sounds very convincing.

I actually start to not like them. They still haven't finished a game for GC! :mad: Just give us SFA and leave! And make a Perfect Dark sequel (exclusive of course, unless they decide not to use Joanna Dark). That's all I want from you. Let Nintendo or some other company make a original DK game, unlike the terrible DK64! :green:

Shouldn't these have question marks?:hmm: Sorry, I just felt that necessary. :D Anyway, I also think that Rare leaving Nintendo is definitive. As long as rare exist and I can buy their game, on nintendo's or anyone's console, I'll be happy. I just hope they can survive alone. Rare just haven't given me the impresion of being a company that can stand on its own. :\

Pretty stupid getting mad at a company just because they might leave as a Nintendo second party :p

Anyways... who said they're leaving? Even if they become a third party, doesn't mean they won't make anymore games for NGC... and if Sega and Namco can get Nintendo licenses, surely another good developer that even used to be a Nintendo second party could get one now and then to make exclusively for a Nintendo system, right?.... Right? It's possible, right? :confused:

:D

Yes it is possible DH.:p

I think people are questioning IGN's reliablity because they don't want to believe it.
While Rare's games are good they do then to take a little while to get on the shelves.( it looks like the same for SK as well, but time will tell)

Besides what is everyone worried about?? The worst that could happen is Rare decides not to develop for GC at all. :p
(hehehehe maybe I shouldn't have said that)

I'm not mad with them because they are leaving Nintendo, just because they haven't made any good games the last year. :unsure:

As long as they dont port current exclusives (or at least not soon), and give GC PD0 first, Im happy.

GameKinG, why don't you want PD0 to come to NGC first? :confused:

That dose loose confusing, but the "not" only refers to the porting, which means I do want PD0 first for GC.

Oh ok, I didn't know you were talking about porting. Thanks for clearing that all up.

Edit: I don't want that to happen either :D

I still don't think they can bring out a PD game on a not-Nintendo system, because it's licenced by Nintendo. Of course they could create a totally new franchise and never make another PD game. Perhaps Nintendo will make it one day.

I'd like to see them try something more modern... But not like james bondish...

But rather an war type of game... Either modern like medal of honor, or some big like space marine war... like umm... I dunno is halo like that? I guess it kinda is, I've never played it though so I dunno the whole deal... but it seems like human peoples against aliens... I mean like a big war of like humans vs. humans... in like a starcraft setting... multiple planets and all... big a FPS... :sneaky:

Bye...

Sounds cool! :D

Um... Methinks Rare owns the name "Perfect Dark"(<--no facts to back this up)

Also, even if Ninteno does own the name "Perfect Dark", they could slightly change the name to... say... "After Dark" or some other "Dark" name :)

I mean, nintendo doesn't own them all... or do they :sneaky:

Hmm... I'll check out the game and see what it says...

Well, I dont know how ownership works with nintendo, but they seem to get really uptight about people using their stuff. So even If they changed the name but used all the same people or whatever, It might not work.

And DH: Medal of Honor is World War II, how modern:rolleyes:

Perfect Dark is 2020 or something, thats above modern...Its future.

lol.. good point...

But when I say more modern, I mean not crazy in the future... With lots of magical... futureness... and not set in some kind of fake world or something... but taking place in the real world, and with the army and junk with more modern weapons... Sorry I couldn't think of a more modern FPS that's in that same army/war style, but I think if there's anything like that it'd be on PC... and since my PC blows, I wouldn't know about it :p

So hows about you just go die? :D

I'd rather get a futuristic war game though... With the neato space marines and a big battlefield with lots of crazy shooting people and big mechs and all this crap... and you run into like Militia or whatever and crap...

But still.... :sneaky: Go die :mad:

It is very ignorant to assume Rare owns the name, having done no research at all. Hehe. Anywho, Rare owns the following:

Perfect Dark
Kameo
Conker's Bad Fur Day
Grabbed by the Ghoulies
It's Mr. Pants
Shot in the Dark
Conker's Pocket Tales
Jet Force Gemini
Dinosaur Planet
Monster Max

So basically, their biggest games they don't have right to. Perfect Dark they have, and that's really all they got to work with. Dinosaur Planet, who cares, they can't make a sequel without Star Fox. Conker sold like **** on N64, I doubt it will do well. Kameo doesn't seem to strike anyway as a great game. Jet Force Gemini was never too popular.

Anyway, After Dark is a dead trademark, Rare had it. But Nintendo could easily just create a new storyline and make a new FPS, I mean, it's not like the PD story was that great.

Yeah, PD is basicly GoldenEye but with a different story. It could be easily remade, probably better. Good point.

Yes, yes it is, but as long as I'm right it's all good :p

Well, not many mature games sold well on N64... maybe that's why Nintendo is droping Rare, or why Rare is leaving Nintendo :p

They're dropping Rare because they make mature games?? :rolleyes:

I suddenly thought about Killer Instinct! :eek: A game beside PD that I care about! Does Rare own that??? :unsure: :o

Yeah! That's why capcom is making games like RE for the GC. :rolleyes: :p

What does capcom have to do with any of this? :confused: :D

BTW, I heard RE sold sorta bad in Japan... at least for RE standards and all of that hype... :p

I dunno about here... it probably did a bit better...

Anyways... if Nintendo is dropping rare, I doubt they'd do it because they make M rated games or whatever... or because some of their games didn't sell well on N64 :rolleyes:

tee hee hee...

I don't know. I guess that Nintendo doesn't want mature games on its consoles so that's why they wanted to have the RE series exclusive (Cause it's kiddie). So, that's also why Nintendo wants to get rid of Rare. Makes sense doesn't it?:rolleyes:

Resident Evil is only one series of many of Capcom's mature games... it's not like they are making EVERY game for gamecube, and EVERY game exclusive. For some reason, I doubt there will be any more exclusive "M" rated games coming to Gamecube from Capcom.

but like DsH said, what does this have to do with Rare?

Ric's back! :D

Well IGN always has it's contacts and stuff... I'm just :unsure: about it! I don't think I would mind much because for us it wouldn't make a huge difference... I mean we'll get SFA and PD0 and perhaps even KI3. :)

:unsure:

I think Rare would have denied the rumor by now...

I mean, Nintendo denys Rumors when they haven't even made it to magizines yet... and Rare has been on covers of magizines and they still have yet to deny it.

You don't believe it because you don't want to believe it, you haven't said anything that will completly convence me that Rare isn't leaving, yet you get all mad.

I'm not going to say Rare is leaving, and I'm not going to say Rare isn't leaving... I just know that this rumor has been going on FAR too long not to have a responce from Rare.