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BreakABone 04-14-2011 03:43 PM

Rumor: Nintendo Set to reveal HD Wii at E3
 
This comes courtesy of GameInformer

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/a...ole-at-e3.aspx

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Gamers have been waiting years for Nintendo to finally release its Wii successor, and Game Informer has heard from multiple sources that the company will unveil it at E3 this summer if not sooner.

We have confirmed with multiple sources that this new home system is capable of running games at HD resolutions. There are conflicting reports, however, as to whether its graphics will be comparable to those on the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 – meaning it could surpass or fall short of those systems. Either way it will offer competitive specifications. Moving to HD should greatly help Nintendo and its new console in getting more multi-platform triple-A titles like Portal 2 or Mortal Kombat. This, in turn, will strengthen Nintendo's historically poor relationship with third-party publishers/developers.

In fact, Nintendo is already showing publishers the system in an effort to get them interested and allow them plenty of time to start developing titles in anticipation of the system's reported late 2012 launch. This advance support marks a change from when the Wii launched. At that time, several Western publishers were outright surprised by the announcement, and it affected the software support for the platform.

Nintendo president Satoru Iwata himself acknowledged that it needs to do a better job with its publishing partners at a 3DS press conference in the fall of 2010. "We need to decrease the concern that only Nintendo software can sell well on Nintendo platforms and third-party software cannot sell in the same volume. We feel a need to have closer ties with our third-party developers from the beginning."

"Nintendo is doing this one right," said an anonymous source. "[It's] not a gimmick like the Wii." What else, beyond graphics, this may infer about the system is unknown. What kind of controls the system will support (we imagine a need for both classic analog configurations and motion controllers) or what level of software and infrastructure Nintendo will provide for online gaming is also unknown. However, it's a positive sign that the system might be more than just an HD Wii.

We've heard about an HD Wii for some time now, and the time is perfect – almost necessary – for Nintendo to jump start itself with this new system. The company has been feeling the bite since Wii sales have declined from previous years, and this week's news that Nintendo could be dropping the price of the Wii on May 15 could be a precursor to this announcement and an attempt to move as many Wii units as possible out of the retail channel before the new system hits.

We do not have confirmation if this new system will be backward compatible with the Wii or if it will even carry the Wii branding as has often been rumored. It is our understanding that Nintendo is trying to embrace the western gamer and will likely launch a new brand with this console . Around the office we have dubbed the system Nintendo HD. However, this information at this point is conjecture.

We contacted a Nintendo representative regarding this information, and while they wouldn't comment on it or the company's E3 plans, they did sign off with a intriguing "stay tuned."

Either way, it should be an exciting E3 for Nintendo and gamers alike.

Ginkasa 04-14-2011 04:36 PM

Re: Rumor: Nintendo Set to reveal HD Wii at E3
 
I hope it gets a cooler code name than "Wii HD." I'm thinking "Ultra Revolutionary Whale" or something.

The actual name will, undoubtedly, be lame.

Angrist 04-14-2011 04:39 PM

Re: Rumor: Nintendo Set to reveal HD Wii at E3
 
Ugh, here we go again. Can't the stupid rumor-boys drop the term 'Wii HD'?? An HD upgrade to the Wii won't do anything.

What we need is the Yuu. A true sequel to the Wii, not just some upgrade. Am I excited about that? Always.

BreakABone 04-14-2011 04:54 PM

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More rumors from varying sources

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Furthermore, we've heard that the machine will be more powerful than current-gen systems, meaning Nintendo, currently backing a Wii that is weaker in horsepower than the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, will be showing a new console that is more powerful than those current competitors.
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Multiple sources have confirmed to Game Informer that Nintendo will reveal a new console between now and E3 2011 in June.

Game Informer's sources say the console is capable of running games at "HD resolutions," though it is unclear whether not it will be as powerful as Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. Our sources have said the console's power will be greater than or equal to the PlayStation 3. Nintendo is reportedly showing the console to publishers to garner interest for a late 2012 launch.

Sources tell IGN that Nintendo will release a pre-announcement this month with a full reveal expected at E3. Sources say the console will be backwards compatible with current Wii software.
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Our sources have said the the console is significantly more powerful than the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, and that Nintendo's intent is to recapture the hardcore market.
http://kotaku.com/#!5792165

http://wii.ign.com/articles/116/1161875p1.html

KillerGremlin 04-14-2011 05:20 PM

Re: Rumor: Nintendo Set to reveal HD Wii at E3
 
First pictures of the Wii HD. Looks pretty good.

~Edit~
Yeah, we're not that far gone yet!

KillerGremlin 04-14-2011 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerGremlin (Post 275776)
First pictures of the Wii HD. Looks pretty good.

~Edit~
Yeah, we're not that far gone yet!

Boooo. The fact that someone edited my post means I got one of you. :lol: :ohreilly:

Also, my link was highly accurate...Wii in HD.

gekko 04-15-2011 02:03 AM

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The wording of these reports worries me. There seems to be no confidence in the product, being called the "Wii HD" and it'll be "as powerful as the PS3." I'd hope so, it's 5 years old! Seems like a lack of confidence in Nintendo from the journalism community.

I wish Nintendo the best.

BreakABone 04-15-2011 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by gekko (Post 275786)
The wording of these reports worries me. There seems to be no confidence in the product, being called the "Wii HD" and it'll be "as powerful as the PS3." I'd hope so, it's 5 years old! Seems like a lack of confidence in Nintendo from the journalism community.

I wish Nintendo the best.

Oh Nintendo will always stand behind the proverbial 8-ball when it comes to video game writers.

For some reason, they are always seen as the underdog.

Bube 04-15-2011 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Angrist (Post 275773)
What we need is the Yuu.

The new console should be named DoubleWii.

TheGame 04-16-2011 10:40 AM

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Super Wii

BreakABone 04-17-2011 10:29 PM

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Mock-up of the controller based on rumors.

BlueFire 04-17-2011 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BreakABone (Post 275803)


Mock-up of the controller based on rumors.

This seems like a terrible idea.

manasecret 04-17-2011 11:07 PM

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So the next trick up their sleeve is using wireless video to transport the video output from the main console to the screen on the controller?

Is this actually for realz?

Ginkasa 04-17-2011 11:08 PM

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The screen in the middle? I'm sure it could be pretty cool for a few games, gimmicky and a slew of others, and unused in even more. So, I wouldn't go for terrible... Maybe "unnecessary."

Also, I've the console is codenamed "Project Cafe." I'd have preferred Yuu.

Edit made after reading mana's post:

I think its meant to be another image entirely. The second screen on the DS, or whatever. Maps or menus or other things.

manasecret 04-17-2011 11:10 PM

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Oh, and thank you BaBs for posting the rumors. I can still trust GT for my good source of Nintendo rumor news, and I am happy.

BreakABone 04-17-2011 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by manasecret (Post 275808)
Oh, and thank you BaBs for posting the rumors. I can still trust GT for my good source of Nintendo rumor news, and I am happy.

Well, not like much else is being discussed these days, and here are some more

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Controller
- 6" touchscreen, not HD, not multitouch
- D-Pad, L, R, two triggers, others
- 'Front-facing camera'
- A sensor roughly analagous to the Wii sensor bar is incorporated in the controller - i.e. some kind of IR beacons/transmitters. Purpose isn't clear.

Specs
- Custom triple-core PowerPC
- AMD/ATI GPU. 'Probably' derived from R700 series.
- RAM unknown
- Developer quotes: graphics capabilities "roughly equal to those of the Xbox 360", performance "over the Xbox 360, but just a notch"

Misc
- One other 'huge surprise' about the system
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Ubisoft studios have had development kits “for months”, motion-sensing “better than Move”; announcement at E3?

Sources have this morning confirmed reports that Nintendo has a successor to the Wii in the works, telling us that thirdparty studios including those of Ubisoft, Activision and Electronic Arts have had development units of the new hardware for months.

They have also claimed that the system retains motion control, with capabilities that are “better than Move”, meaning that they boast higher fidelity. We do not yet have word on whether or not its motion-controlled solution introduces a camera.

manasecret 04-17-2011 11:59 PM

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Great rumor millings. The graphics equal to xbox360 is painful and probably the truest statement of all graphics related rumors. This is still Nintendo after all. I understand the thing has to be priced low, I get it, but I can't help always wishing for the best graphics ever despite the fact it wouldn't sell.

I was a big fan of the wii concept from the first reveal and always thought it was going to be a big hit, and of course it was. This one... I'm not feeling it yet. People think motion gaming is a gimmick. Maybe, but it's a 100 million unit selling gimmick. The screen in the controller is imo a real gimmick, since I don't think it serves enough of a purpose and therfore will not sell 100 million. But just initial thouhts, will wait for full details.

Not to mention... It's been done. I liked it, too, but that console... Didn't do so well. What console am I?

BreakABone 04-18-2011 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by manasecret (Post 275810)
Great rumor millings. The graphics equal to xbox360 is painful and probably the truest statement of all graphics related rumors. This is still Nintendo after all. I understand the thing has to be priced low, I get it, but I can't help always wishing for the best graphics ever despite the fact it wouldn't sell.

I was a big fan of the wii concept from the first reveal and always thought it was going to be a big hit, and of course it was. This one... I'm not feeling it yet. People think motion gaming is a gimmick. Maybe, but it's a 100 million unit selling gimmick. The screen in the controller is imo a real gimmick, since I don't think it serves enough of a purpose and therfore will not sell 100 million. But just initial thouhts, will wait for full details.

Not to mention... It's been done. I liked it, too, but that console... Didn't do so well. What console am I?

Yeah, if you figure MS can charge about 200 now for the arcade unit and turn a profit, something slightly more advanced for 250 would be Nintendo's starting point I guess.

As for the rumors... honestly... it boggles my mind as well... in no way does this seem practical...

I really.. am curious about e3 now, not that I wasn't before.

Though slightly unrelated... I did always say I wanted the Dreamcast's VMUs to return... haha

Blix 04-18-2011 12:59 AM

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That controller is going to cost a pretty penny. And I wonder how the graphics capabilities will be. I doubt all of the info will be streamlined. I suppose small apps will work inside the controller.

Angrist 04-18-2011 02:29 AM

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I hope it's all a big lie. I don't see this working at all...

thatmariolover 04-18-2011 10:33 AM

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We'll all know more come E3. Some have suggested it's 'significantly' more powerful than the PS3 while others say only a notch above the 360.

Regardless, I still think it's either too soon or too late for a console. But I think a lot of people expected the Wii to lose momentum before the PS3/360. And while it's easy to draw parallels to the Dreamcast, I don't think it's going to be a flop of quite that magnitude (as the Dreamcast was hindered by unrestricted mass piracy).

I think the screen could be cool for UI elements (swapping equipment, inventory management, Four Swords/Pac-Man Vs. type gameplay. But who wants to spend more for controllers when a full Wiimote/Nunchuck was $50 for ages?

thatmariolover 04-20-2011 01:40 PM

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Sorry for the bump but it's for a good cause. Possibly legit mockup with partial description:


manasecret 04-20-2011 02:16 PM

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Good rumor photos. Looks very similar to IGN's mockup.



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Originally Posted by thatmariolover (Post 275817)
We'll all know more come E3. Some have suggested it's 'significantly' more powerful than the PS3 while others say only a notch above the 360.

Yeah but these type of rumors remind of times before with Nintendo, for I believe for both the Wii and the DS, and we all know those didn't match their rivals in horsepower. Of course, they beat them in other ways.

Angrist 04-20-2011 03:31 PM

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Yeah but the Wii was faster than the XBox and GameCube. Now the Yuu won't even be as fast as the PS3?? That's just not thinking ahead.

BreakABone 04-20-2011 07:27 PM

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I think that mock-up looks too much like IGN's to be real.


And being online long enough for the reveal of the Gamecube and the Wii, I'm not gonna take any stock in "leaks" until e3.

Because no one gets it close to what Nintendo ultimately reveals.



Some are saying this is closest to description ATM.

gekko 04-21-2011 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Angrist (Post 275862)
Yeah but the Wii was faster than the XBox and GameCube. Now the Yuu won't even be as fast as the PS3?? That's just not thinking ahead.

Define "faster." The Wii isn't all that different from the GameCube, and it lacks features found on the original Xbox.

Also, journalists love numbers that make good headlines. "Wii 1.5-2 times faster than GameCube." What does faster even mean? CPU clock speed? GPU clock speed? Memory access speeds? It's all pretty meaningless without the details. And looking at the Wii's GPU, it may be faster, but still way behind the times in terms of its feature set.

I'm curious to see if they get DX11-level hardware. I certainly would expect nothing less from the next consoles, but they're still running fixed-function hardware, so going from 0 shaders to 6 would be a bit of a jump. Also interested to see what type of CPU they go with, and if they're ever going to give us surround sound.

Ginkasa 04-21-2011 11:50 AM

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So long as they don't delay Skyward Sword so its a launch title for this system I'll be happy.

BreakABone 04-21-2011 01:02 PM

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http://kotaku.com/#!5794424/fresh-de...the-wii-remote

More gossip on the Wii 2 controller.

Sounds like a traditional controller with a cell phone in the middle.

thatmariolover 04-21-2011 01:33 PM

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I just can't get excited for this thing. It has so many things going against it. Hopefully E3 has some more positive details.

BreakABone 04-21-2011 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by thatmariolover (Post 275877)
I just can't get excited for this thing. It has so many things going against it. Hopefully E3 has some more positive details.

New consoles always have a tinge of excitement for me, but honestly... none of this stuff matters since its all about the games.. and honestly seeing if they can gain some form of 3rd party support.

Angrist 04-21-2011 06:03 PM

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Nice. Miyamoto: "You don't have to trust all the stuff you read."
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...t-cafe-rumours

BreakABone 04-21-2011 06:52 PM

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More rumors courtesy of IGN

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Retail cost between $350-400
- Manufacturing to begin this Oct.-Nov. with Winter as the earliest release, but likely to wait until 2012 to build up stock
- Based on revamped version of AMD's R700
- custom-built triple-core IBM PowerPC chipset, clocked higher than that of 360
- potential for stereoscopic 3D
- In terms of the design of the console itself, the overall size will be comparable to that of the original Xbox 360 and the system is likely to resemble a modernized version of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES)
- given the power of the system, could feasibly provide a virtualized console for each individual unit
- "Stream" is being considered as a final name
The more, I hear abotu it. The more I worry.

Seems like they are kind of doing away with motion as well. :(

http://gear.ign.com/articles/116/1163325p1.html

Jason1 04-21-2011 11:24 PM

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Am I the only one that likes what I hear so far? Nintendo is FINALLY accepting HD technology for their next console, and from my understanding it appears motion control will be an option, but not necessairly a necessity as it was with the Wii. (and if anyone tries to argue with me, how many games had no motion control at all? Very few. Some definatley should have, but they always snuck some annoying motion control in there that was unnecessary.)

Plus, I think the screen in the controller could be a good idea, although I'll admit it sounds like it will make the controller cost a pretty penny.

Ginkasa 04-22-2011 01:33 AM

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Yeah, I'm not getting the negativity. Maybe its just a knee-jerk reaction to all the excitement (and following disappointment) from the Gamecube and Wii?

I haven't heard anything crazy exciting, but it doesn't sound bad either. I'll probably buy one and I'll probably like the Zelda game they make for it, if nothing else.

Angrist 04-22-2011 05:41 AM

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Nintendo producing a $350 console? FAKE.

BreakABone 04-22-2011 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason1 (Post 275889)
Am I the only one that likes what I hear so far? Nintendo is FINALLY accepting HD technology for their next console, and from my understanding it appears motion control will be an option, but not necessairly a necessity as it was with the Wii. (and if anyone tries to argue with me, how many games had no motion control at all? Very few. Some definatley should have, but they always snuck some annoying motion control in there that was unnecessary.)

Plus, I think the screen in the controller could be a good idea, although I'll admit it sounds like it will make the controller cost a pretty penny.

I don't think they are "accepting" it, much like when they switched to CD for the Gamecube, they just know it is harder to build a non-HD console this time around.

It was always a price/ownership thing for them.

I'm actually pretty disappointed they seem to be dropping motion. From the split design of the controller to actual motion/pointing, I thought this generation was fine. And was waiting for a refinement of the tech.

Right now, all I see is an expensive console with an expensive controller.

thatmariolover 04-22-2011 10:17 AM

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They'll be fully backwards compatible with Wii MotionPlus controllers so I don't really see where the motion controller fear is coming from. The waggle will have its place, it just won't be the primary focus of the system.

When Nintendo transitioned from GameCube to Wii they used similar hardware and scaled the processors in such a way that the clock speeds were divisible. This supposedly made backwards compatibility easier to pull off. I wonder if they'll do the same thing this time around or if they'll resort to software virtualization. Either way I really hope it's able to render Wii/GC games in HD.

IGN is restating that multiple sources confirm the system to be substantially more powerful than Xbox 360/PS3 and suggest a price between $300-$400.

BreakABone 04-22-2011 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by thatmariolover (Post 275899)
They'll be fully backwards compatible with Wii MotionPlus controllers so I don't really see where the motion controller fear is coming from. The waggle will have its place, it just won't be the primary focus of the system.

When Nintendo transitioned from GameCube to Wii they used similar hardware and scaled the processors in such a way that the clock speeds were divisible. This supposedly made backwards compatibility easier to pull off. I wonder if they'll do the same thing this time around or if they'll resort to software virtualization. Either way I really hope it's able to render Wii/GC games in HD.

IGN is restating that multiple sources confirm the system to be substantially more powerful than Xbox 360/PS3 and suggest a price between $300-$400.

Let's be honest here, being BC with the Wii Mote/Wii Mote Plus will do nothing. Much like the Wii being BC with the Cube controller. You'll get an odd game here and there which uses it, but it won't really be a refinement or advancement of the tech other than being there to appease fans who dig motion controls like myself.

Vampyr 04-22-2011 11:32 AM

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I really hope motion controls take a back seat this time around. That gimmick was old a long time ago. My only regret is that so many games like Mario Galaxy had to settle for being great instead of legendary because they were held back by motion controllers.

Screen on my controller? I'm cool with that.

Angrist 04-22-2011 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Vampyr (Post 275902)
My only regret is that so many games like Mario Galaxy had to settle for being great instead of legendary because they were held back by motion controllers.

I don't know what people mean with this. SMG was great. There were so many fun pointing/tilting mini games in it that would have been less fun with a normal controller.
The only drawback I can think of is the waggle-to-spin thing.


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